Alrighty this is going to be a long post guys, but it’s a goody. Let me start by thanking
Arcanine/Arbok Master for hosting a fantastic game. This was his first time hosting a Werewolf game (on the gym at least) and he did a superb job. I had fun to the very end.
Thank you
Arcanine/Arbok Master!
Ok so the first thing is the truth. Lol
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As was made abundantly clear I lied my way through this game. So here’s my whole plot
This the PM I got from
A/AM
Arcanine/Arbok Master said:
You are Brodie of Team Magma. Maxie summoned you to his mansion which was hidden away in some hills deep in the Hoenn region. Receiving a summons from the boss was never a good thing, especially for a highly-trained agent such as yourself. At best it meant you were receiving a mission and at worst it meant Maxie was displeased with your performance on such a mission. "Brodie...I was a bit intrigued to hear that Wallace is in fact alive as of 48 minutes ago. I am shocked that you managed to dispose of him and somehow still make it here in time for this...meeting. "Wallace?" "Yes, Wallace, you idiot! If Team Magma is to rise again, there are certain key targets which must be eliminated. Did you have difficulty deciphering the letter you were sent?" Dread trickled down your spine for the first time. You were working out of Mauville City for the past month and had forgotten to check the specified location to which your messages from the management would be delivered (if any) on only one day that month. It was possible that you had failed to receive this memo... "Wallace was visiting Mauville where you were stationed to meet up with a man named Alder from the Unova region pokémon league. This was the ONE chance we had of removing Wallace from our shopping list, Brodie." You are a disappointment... "Sir, please. I can still accomplish this task, I ju-". "I DON'T CARE! I have a better mission for you now. You see Brodie, there is a power struggle going on in the Unova region and there is a slight chance we can pursue a path through the chaos to open a gate for Team Magma control of that region. You will be boarding a ship tomorrow that will take you there. Take this communicator. We will send you help if you can carve a path through the force of Team Plasma and the pokémon league."
Role: During the night you may PM me the name of a player to learn their character's name.
Passive Role (Numel): Numel will have to evolve before it can help you. This will happen when only 10 players remain in the game.
Win Condition: Team Magma Wins! (Last man standing.)
Instantly, before the game even started, I realized I needed a plan. I began to research my character. The Archie/Agent Smith Gambit, which I will explain later, was already tucked away in my file of possible plans before the game even started. As Day 1 approached, I realized a few things:
1.) I’m a vet
Now, I hate the term vet, I hate vet reverence, I hate that people call me a vet, and I hate that it affects the metagame. That said, I’ve hosted three games, I’ve played in at least seven or eight and been a wolf more then town. That coupled with the fact that my monster game had just ended a few weeks prior, my name was going to be at the top of people’s mind. That meant that in order to avoid the wolve’s hit-list, and avoid being seered or investigated I would need a plan. I decided I would post one line posts and try to fool people into thinking I had a role similar to Steelix, Onix, Chewbacca, and the many other “tank” roles in previous games. Even without the "vet factor" I was still an indie, and that meant I would have to avoid attention anyways. The "vet factor" just made that harder.
The “Tank” role usually has limited speech such as a sentence or two and as a bonus takes more votes to lynch or has some sort of night defense. My plan to was make it seem like I had a useless role. Even more, by limiting my posting to one line per post, I could make important points, poke hole in logic, and participate in discussion, but still lay low enough under the radar to avoid too much scrutiny. That was the plan at least and that was planned since before the game even started.
This is what I did, and why I did it (to the best of my memory)
Day 1, Post 1, I began. One of the reasons my stories flowed so well, and my evidence worked was because I started my lie before the game started. When wolves or others fall under pressure and try to lie it shows. While I was lying through my teeth the whole time, I was in a sense telling the truth because no one could poke holes in my evidence or my stories (at least not until late game). On Day 1 I made really weird Yoda like posts. I did this on purpose to draw attention to my speech impediment. Right away this false bread-crumb was to put false clues in people’s head. I didn’t vote that day, but honestly and truly I wanted
Diaz to die. Nothing personal
Diaz but what you did was stupid. You should have died. I don’t need to talk about how you were saved because you “might be an asset later.” We all know that vet status saved you, and my opinion still stands. I treat players equal, no matter if they are new or old. Experienced or not. I would have voted you, but that was my emotion, not a tactically sound move. In order to lay low I participated in conversation, but did not express my opinions. I think at one time
JewelQuest voted for me and I joking played it off. I was purposely acting a bit silly and over-confident.
Night 1: I targeted
Diaz, but he was protected and I learned nothing. Dr. Who, who I did not know the identity of, contacted me and I declined. I was also targeted by
TheKing. he redirected my role to, I kid you not, target
Diaz lol.
Day 2: After a useless night 1, I wanted to keep laying low and not attract attention. Honestly that entire day I had no clue. At one point
Sandslash7 posted something that involved accusing
sdrawkcab. While scanning posts I noticed the colors in
SS7’s posts. I put 2 and 2 together and got 5 somehow. I came to the conclusion that
SS7 was a seer, and had a speech impediment. I said that the “proof was in the visible spectrum” and sided with him. Not 30 minutes later, I realized his speech impediment was identical to
Cabd’s. I knew nothing of Lord of the Rings so I went to my Father and asked him if Gandalf the Grey had any major enemies. He told me of Saruman the White. I spent some time researching Saruman and began to pick up similarities, and hints in
Cabd’s role. I debated on revealing
SS7’s identity or not and lay low. I didn’t want to attract any attention, but I knew that revealing a wolf, especially on a player like
SS7, who for better or for worse is a Power Player, would put me in great standing with the town. I went for the big post, mentioning that I had only a few big posts I could use, and this was one of them. My fake speech impediment also became an advantage.
SS7 was stuck arguing with someone who would only respond with one liners. Eventually he went down. The town had killed a wolf, and I had just won a major victory.
Night 2: I targeted
DarthPika I learned he was Dr. Who aka Omega. This would be a huge advantage later on when I was putting together my fake role reveal.
Day 3:
Napoleon made his big post and gave me a great, possible the greatest opportunity of the game. He told everyone that he was contacted by “Omega” that night and asked to investigate me. He declined, which was a stroke of luck for me, but also set up perfectly for me to start explaining that “I too was contacted by “Omega”” and that “I did not want to give up any protection I might” and “that my role was selfish in nature” I began to bread-crumb that I had protection at night to explain my speech impediment. We ended up going after
Scottistru, and I really didn’t care either way. The attention wasn’t on me, and
Napoleon had just put a huge target on his back, giving me a safe night. I dropped a few more hints as to my protection abilities, but that was it.
Night 3: I targeted
jpulice that night. I had a suspicion his speech impediment was fake, but since I was faking my own, I did not want to call him out on it. I was protected by
Akane though at the time I did not know it.
Prohawk was suspsious about how “heroic” I was in my taking down of
SS7 I knew right then that he would be a dangerous opponent to tango with.
Day 4: At some point I made the comment that someone not from this world (100% guess, since I did not know Dr. House had protected me) and was able to more or less say that I had protection at night and could see who targeted me at time. I also noted that the more I was protected, the more I could post. This would greatly help me.
Benzo went after me quite a bit, but I managed to pretty much pick apart his entire argument.
Pmysterious stole the show that day and got himself killed. I managed to throw my vote against him. I believe it was during this day that
Benzo had said he had the Poke Radar and wanted to give it up. He was thinking of giving it to me. I used the opportunity to say I could not use items because they mess with my role, so no one should give them to me. At the time my intent was simply to not make myself a target for the wolves. However this lie would serve me later in my role reveal and also (I hoped) dissuade
Diaz from frisking me, or anything from thinking I had a Pokeball.
Night 4: I targeted
Benzo and saw he was Don Xintope, who I had to Google to figure out who he was. I concluded he was a townsperson and let up on attacking him.
Day 5: I got the Poke Radar in the update, under the impression that I could use it at any time during the game, I immediately sent
A/AM a request to look for Froslass. He told me that I could not use it until night. We all hammered
Jason and he killed himself. I think this is where
Prohawk claimed I had numel. To which I agreed. There was no point in lying since he clearly knew. This of course brought a dilemma.
A/AM never told me, but I’ve modded and played enough game to know that when Numel evolved he would be a killing role. I had to plan for that, at the time I wasn’t sure how to approached it.
Night 5:
Akane got her protection on me before the night ended. This blocked my Poke Radar for Tornadus. At this point I understood that
A/AM was trying to tell us it wasn’t Froslass he was describing, and that had been unintentional misleading. I chose Tornadus because one of the sages captures a Tornadus in the manga. I also targeted either
Cantor or
Diaz, can’t remember. Didn’t matter though because I was protected
Day: 6 I took full advantage of my protected and previous night of lack of roles to further explain my posting requirements and make lots of big posts. I continued to sew the seeds of my fake role, and I went after
Ulti a lot until
DarthPika vouched for him. I immediately agreed with
DarthPika because I knew I could use that as evidence later one if and when I claimed seer or my protection role.
TheKing and
PokemonFreak5 were both under scrutiny.
TheKing made a sloppy role-claim with gender confusion and
PokemonFreak5 wasn’t talking at all. I ended up taking my vote off
TheKing and voting for
PokemonFreak5.
Night 6: I didn’t believe
TheKing was innocent. Not at all. I checked him out and sure enough, he was Dr. Evil. Now of course came the tricky part. I needed a way to reveal this information which would of course further solidify myself as a member of the town, but avoid saying I was seer, and keeping with my protection abilities. I remembered my “I can’t use items” lie from before. I came up with the idea of saying I got the information from a one-time item. This in turn would solve my Numel problem. I could claim that Numel was taken (and possibly point to
Diaz) because my protection was down when I used the item. This would let me kill people with Camerupt when he evolved, and not have the finger pointed at me because I could claim that Numel had been stolen from me. And thus the Zoom Lens (which actually is an item in the Pokemon game) was born. I also used the PokeRadar for Zoroark because he was one of N’s Pokemon and I suspected he was in the game and was an important character.
Day 7:
I picked up the X-Accuracy. I dropped the bomb immediately assuming it would be an easy kill. I was able to further explain my role and back it up with false evidence
Prohawk however once again stood in my way. He questioned the Zoom Lens, how I got it, why I used it. I knew he was going to be an obstacle.
Prohawk, you have no idea how much I wanted you dead.
TheKing killed himself in a 100% viable and fair tactic and the day ended
Night 7: I have no idea what happened during the night, what with N and Zekrom and all that jazz. Akane bit the dust and
jpulice protected me. I don’t remember who I targeted, but it didn’t work.
Day 7: This is where my master plan came together. My Neo Role Reveal
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2271396&postcount=3370
I’m going to toot my own horn here, this was in my opinion superbly executed. It was perfectly believable, and sounded like a real role. My evidence matched up perfectly and no one could poke holes in it. This was seven weeks of pure lies building on each other to make this super lie. The Neo role worked. It explained why I could dodge roles. I backed up my protection and my ability to see people’s names. No one could refute it. It was also here I decided on the Agent Smith Gambit. I chose Neo because Agent Smith fit perfectly into my plan. Here’s the thing. There were way way too many investigative roles in this game. I was under suspicions because no one had investigated me yet. Too many people were confirmed town by night roles. I needed way to turn them on each other. Thus the Agent Smith Gambit. I claimed there was an indie hiding amongst us. He would seer a town. I even set up for this when I posted “I think all the night roles are happening in the dream world.” I turned the Dream World into the Matrix, and thus allowed myself to be Neo, and my enemy to be Agent Smith. With Iris, Drayden and Ghestis confirmed to be connected, and the Monkey Trio, along with Gandalf and Suramon, this was a perfectly possible explanation that I was connected to an antagonist. This point was when I was the best off the entire game. I had a fake role reveal that almost everyone believed. I had turned the town against itself. I had Numel believed to have been stolen, and I had killed two wolves while pretending to have protection at night. At the same time I had used my fake speech impediment to gain protection during many more nights then I should have had it.
Thunderjolt took the beating from my role reveal. Didn’t matter to me that much.
Prohawk was still suspicious, he was on to me, but he was alone and almost no one stood by his claims. Victory was all but assured
Night 8: I used the X-accuracy and targeted
Cantor saw him as Fennel
Day 9: This is where things began to go sour.
Prohawk Bluenation and others were all over me. I was one of the few people not cleared, that make me suspect. I took it well enough. The exception being one post.
Prohawk got emotion out of me. He broke my cool, and I attacked him. It was my own saving grace that I was limited to one line per post so the damage was not nearly as bad. I somehow survived and
JewelQuest took the lynch. I was in the hot-seat though. I asked
King Piplup to investigate me and was actually betting on him seeing my role to save me. Basically there were 11 players left in the game. I would not get my “killing role” until there were 10. According to
A/AM that meant I would not have it until after the Day 10 update was posted. This mean that
King Piplup would have seen only my “Name Seer” role and that I had Numel who had not evolved yet. He would tell everyone and I would be clear. I did not account for the fact that he might have been a wolf. That threw my plan out of whack considerably. It also appears that he might have seen Camerupt anyways since
Prohawk saw me with it during the night even though I did not get it until morning.
Night 9: Geez what didn’t hit me.
Pikamaster seered me,
Cantor took me down to -2 votes to lynch.
PokeChampofPokeBeach hit me with Liligant,
Prohawk used his PokeRadar on me. I didn’t have a chance.
Day 10: This was a fight, a big one. Right off the back
Prohawkclaimed I had Camerupt. I have some questions on this but I’ll wait until later to address them. I knew I needed a good reason to stay alive. I came up with the Pokemon Ranger lie and to my great joy an surprise,
Prohawk believed me and unvoted me. He actually began to agree with me too. I actually fell of my chair laughing when this happened. I had everything planned out. I would kill
King Piplup the last investigative role, and begin to kill. I did not plan on
Pikamaster having a seer ability. That complicated things. He call med out for being Team Magma, and I knew my fate was sealed. I kept to the Agent Smith/Archie gambit because it was all I had, but the jig was up. Too much against me. I was gone a lot this day because of class. I would come back to 3 new pages of post.
King Piplup was kind enough to make the most ridiculous claim I have ever seen (no offense) and I he managed to get killed instead of me. I lived. More importantly I achieved my personal goal. Beat the wolves.
Night 10: I investigated
Diaz who was protected and I killed
PokeChampofPokeBeach my logic was that I needed to remove Liligant from play.
Day 11: I thought about claiming that I found Archie that trying to blame
Son of Apollo but the day ended before I had a chance, and it probably would not have done much good anyways.
I played very well for myself. I would not have changed any of my actions. As far as I’m concerned I played a near perfect game for my position. I never had a chance of winning, which I will explain below, but I had a blast regardless.
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So now a little bit about my experience
I’ve played many WW games on the gym. I’ve been:
A Wolf four or five times and The Alpha Wolf once or twice
A Detective twice
An item maker once
A vanilla townie
-Once as a wolf, the seer revealed me to be a wolf during the day. I made up a role, and got the seer lynched. I managed to survive two more days before the town killed me
-I’ve killed my own wolves to solidify myself as town
-I’ve brought down townies by convincing the town with my last words that they betrayed me and I was upset over it
-I lied as a townie to make myself look like I had a role did not have to fool the wolves
How you guys trusted me this game is beyond me lol. After this however, which I must say was my greatest masterpiece yet, I’ll never be trusted again.
Anyways, I’ve been a wolf, I’ve been a power role for the town, and I’ve been a vanilla townie. I’ve played with from all those perspectives. I've modded three games and you would think I would understand how all sides play. You would be wrong. My role, Brodie, Last Man Standing, was something completely new to me, I learned a lot from playing this role.
First off, playing as an independent is by far the hardest role in the game. Last Man Standing is even harder.
The Town is the uninformed majority
The Wolves are the informed minority
The Independent is the uninformed minority
I lack the knowledge of the wolves and the numbers of the town. Both of which are my enemies. This makes play style very difficult. This coupled with increasing numbers of players per game and larger towns and wolves makes this even harder. In the past the LMS needed to only rid himself of 20 people. In this game Had to survive and kill 30 people. That’s a big difference. Especially since I could not kill until 10 remained. That meant I would have to survive 2/3s of the game before I could fight back.
Here’s the thing, from the very beginning of the game, I have 0% chance of victory. I did not realize this until late game, but this game was too unbalanced and I took the brunt. There were way way way too many investigative roles. The Agent Smith/Archie Gambit is proof of that. The only, literally the one and only reason anyone ever got suspicious of me was simply that I was one of the 2 or 3 people not confirmed by a seer or detective. No one caught me in a lie (until I was investigated). No one proved my evidence wrong, heck my bluff and my play managed to keep the seers and wolves off me almost the entire game. I was forced into a situation where there were so many town-confirmed that I had to try and turn them against each other. Had this game not had as many investigative roles, I would have had a much better chance of victory maybe have even won, especially if by Day 9 there weren’t still two investigative roles (not counting myself) alive. Even after my battle against
JewelQuest and I was on the chopping block, I had most the town believing my Pokemon Ranger story. I convinced
Prohawk the biggest threat to me the entire game to believe me at a few points. I controlled the field so well that most the time I didn’t even have to argue or defend myself. Someone else would do it for me. I made it until there were only 7 people left not counting myself that I needed to kill. In a 21 person game, that’s victory for me. The numbers and statistics however were stacked against me and so I lost. Don’t get me wrong I had a blast, and I enjoyed playing, but the fact is that I did not stand a chance of victory at all.
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So my final thoughts on the game, and my opinion on the entire thing:
1.) Pokeballs were horribly unbalanced.
A/AM you’ve already mentioned this, but I’ve had the opinion most of the game. When a role dies, it needs to stay dead. Woobat allowed for a seer role to keep going and be passed around. Liligant had an irremovable role-blocker. Some of these Pokemon even evolve and got more powerful. It added to the already unbalanced nature of the game.
2.) All the investigative roles.
Townie wise we have:
Pikamaster
Prohawk (I count him because the Pokemon could be tied to the character often),
Ultimatedra
DarthPika (who gave information to himself and another person without having to reveal himself)
Dave628 (who would release Woobat into the game)
Reddados01 (who could see people who alignment seered him)
Bluenation
On the wolf side:
King Piplup
On the Independent side:
Absoltrainer
That’s 9 investigative roles out of 31.
One of them shares information with two people.
That’s not even to forget the items like PokeRadars that could used to investigate people.
All in all, the conclusion is obvious. It was much much too easy to obtain information in this game. It’s what forced me to do the Agent Smith/Archie gambit. It’s really the main factor in my defeat. Were there others? Yes,
Prohawk hammered me on the Zoom Lens, and Agent Smith/Archie didn’t do as well as I had hoped, but really any and everytime someone said “what about Absol?” It was based on the fact that I had not been “confirmed town via seer or detective.”
3.) Co-Mods, Vote-Counts, and paying attention to the game
Ok I’m the last person to complain about delays. I’m not sure legally I’m allowed to at this point, but one thing I did do in my games was make sure the vote-count was updated regularly. Every page or every other page if I could help it. At one point we went 20 pages with no vote-count and on at least four occasions I had to contact
Cardzmaster2004 on aim and ask him to do a vote-count. We had players doing unofficial vote-counts often as well. I thank you
A/AM for timely updates, but the vote-counts left something to be desired.
If you are going to have a Co-Mod, they need to actually “Co-Mod.” I agree with Updates and PM staying with the main mod. That’s how I would want it done, but if no one is posting vote-counts, the co-mod needs to step in and assist. That’s my only gripe on that.
Ok the bad stuff is out of the way. Now for the good stuff.
1.) Story. Loved it, loved the updats, loved the detail, loved the theme, all good. You know me, I’m a big story guy, so this was a plus for me.
2.) Creative roles, imbalance aside, you came up with some very very creative roles. The Drayden, Iris, Ghestis Combo and the Gandalf Sarumon combos were creative. As was the Fennel, Doc Brown and Dream World scenanrio that you incorporated. I liked that.
3.) It was fun
I know I spent more time on the bad then the good, but I want to be clear. I had a lot of fun. I laughed a lot, smiled in victory, had to think on my toes, watched my plans work, watched them fail. It was a lot of fun and I want to thank you again for hosting
A/AM
Now for questions for viewers like you!
Also I would like to apologize for being harsh on D2 (especially to you, Absol).
Like I'd get offended over what you said in Werewolf
No need to apologize. I had much more sinister motives at the time anyways. lol.
AT, you seemed to play on the town's side strongly, even when the town was winning. Wouldn't it have been better for you to keep the wolves in the game longer? What were your thoughts there? I'm genuinely interested because you were in a pretty interesting position.
Well perhaps my explanation above clears it up a bit. Basically there was so much “town confirmation” going on that I needed to avoid being seered or targeted by any roles at all. The best way to do that was to look as townie as possible. For the wolves I relied on my protection bluff as well as the “I can see people who target me” bluff. It worked for the most part, until the end. It would have benefited me to keep the wolves around longer, however the few opportunities I had to take them out and take credit for it I had too. Likewise I was in a constant batttle to stay in favor with the town. Also three wolves went down early game. Much quicker then I had anticipated. The other thing is that the wolves are my enemy too, so taking them down was advantageous when I could. In the end it’s more advantageous to play with the town until I get the ability to kill. I did that, but due to the volume of information roles and information at the time, it was too late.
It was funny. AT sent me a PM asking me hypothetically if he could pick it up despite having an item. Then he sent another PM immediately saying something like "ABORT ABORT DO NOT WANT"
The story on this goes as follow:
*I log onto Pokegym*
*See update posted*
*Sees it posted 1 minute ago*
*Scans for items*
*See Pokeball*
*Sends PM saying “gimme Pokeball please!*
*Goes back to read update*
*Sees words “Now a Vanilluxe, it has been your EXTREMELY loyal companion ever since”*
*Sees words “The poké ball that dropped from his pocket rattled menacingly.”
*Processes Information*
*Proceeds to freak out heck out*
*Frantically sends PM to
A/AM
“DO NOT WANT, ABORT ABORT, I DO NOT WANT THIS POKEBALL! Do not give it to me! Give it to someone else! DO NOT WANT!”
*I live to fight another day!*
So, I knew that
Ikrit was
Cantor around day 2 or so. How? Well I talk regularly with
Ikrit on AIM. And then this happened:
Absoltrainer (1:20:01 PM): it's too bad you didn't make it into this current game
Ikrit(1:20:16 PM): You liking it thus far?
Absoltrainer (1:20:24 PM): I have a very interesting role
Ikrit(1:20:28 PM): wait
Ikrit(1:20:31 PM): don't tell me
Ikrit(1:20:47 PM): Absol
Absoltrainer (1:20:47 PM): oh you are watching the game unfold
Ikrit(1:20:49 PM): before you say any more
Ikrit(1:20:56 PM): I need to come clean with you
Ikrit(1:20:59 PM): I am in the game
Absoltrainer (1:21:07 PM): oh?
Absoltrainer (1:21:10 PM): OH
Ikrit(1:21:15 PM):
Absoltrainer (1:21:16 PM): let me guess who
Absoltrainer (1:21:42 PM): cantor
Ikrit(1:21:58 PM): Why would you think that?
Absoltrainer (1:22:14 PM): Cantor = Singer of Religious Songs
Absoltrainer (1:22:19 PM): at least in Synagogues
Absoltrainer (1:22:23 PM): you are religious
Absoltrainer (1:22:40 PM): am I right?
Ikrit(1:22:45 PM): yes
For the record it didn’t effect how I played at all. I treated him the same way I was treating
Cantor before I knew.
Before I finish up, some special thanks and props
Arcanine/Arbok Master:
We spoke a lot throughout this game, I was particularly involved with several issues that arose. I’m glad we are both cool with anything we may have said back and forth. I want to say that for your first game you did great. I am very pleased with the game, and had a great time playing. Don’t let a few setbacks stop you from having a good time. Take the bumps and keep rolling. This game was really great. I thoroughly enjoyed the updates, the themes, and the creativity and originality of some of the roles. It was a lot of fun and you did a great job as host.
Prohawk
Dude, you know how to argue. Figures that when
Sandslash7 brings a friend to the table, it’s someone as good at this game as he is. Major props. You had me pegged most of the game. The few times I convinced you otherwise, or got you to believe me were true victories. I wanted you dead so badly, but didn’t have anything to stick you with. I hated that out of all the people I was at odds with, you were top if the list. You were way too good at arguing for my tastes haha.
Well played.
Oh, we can't forget this now can we?
I'm in DC until tomnorrow, I'n a little drunk, nows shape to rwpalty, replay, uh, will respond when sober. family reuinion anfd party:smile:
hey so, I need to ead pagees 107 108 abd 109. I;m in ow shape to respond. BIGKV familhy pparty. will talk tomarrow morning. sorryyu.
Thank you to everyone who played. Thank you to
Arcanine/Arbok Master for hosting.
Stay tuned for my post in the Werewolf Metagame thread.
