gashmoigidy
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not just that. I've never been good with its consistancy. It gets bad hands in my testing. After watching Chad and Gabriel with it at states I just wouldn't be comfortable playing it.
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toxicroak 96
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Jumpluff will be very popular but prolly won't win.
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What do you mean by techs? There aren't many things you can just throw in Gyarados and have it work. I've played against gyarados many a time with my Luxchomp and Gyarados just gets owned hardcore. I don't care what techs you throw in, it's not going to be positive for you. Gyarados is a cool choice but honestly I don't think it can stand up as well as other decks.
Honestly I'm thinking SP and Jumpluff for now. Sablelock is okay but not special. I expect a lot of SP and Jumpluff, and as a result maybe more Flygon. It should be a pretty open format, which I am hoping for.
Donphan prime and a fast Gyarados list can beat Luxchomp. Eventually you will not be able to knock Gyarados out because you will not be able to get Luxray back every turn. I have seen Gyarados run through Luxchomp more than Luxchomp runs through Dos. Sablelock is risky because it all depends on your opponents cards. Jumpluff and certain SP varients are what made Flygon less played.
SalamenceGreat
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After some more playing and testing, my new prediction is that Garchomp SV (the evolution version) will do well.
Speed Impact is overly powerful for the lower cost. And the negative side effect of that attack is not bothered by Kingdra, Jumpluff, or Gyarados.
Garchomp can 1hko Jumpluff, Gyarados, and Kingdra as well as almost all SP pokemon.
DO NOT TELL ME ITS TOO SLOW.
I have a very consistant list and T1 Guard Claw with Belt is possible about 85% of the time.
Basically, any deck that can handle jumpluff will do well.
I would like to see Giratina Lv X played. Its good against Garchomp C (resistance) and if you KO any sp pokemon with Broken Space Blow, they are not recoverable.
Speed Impact is overly powerful for the lower cost. And the negative side effect of that attack is not bothered by Kingdra, Jumpluff, or Gyarados.
Garchomp can 1hko Jumpluff, Gyarados, and Kingdra as well as almost all SP pokemon.
DO NOT TELL ME ITS TOO SLOW.
I have a very consistant list and T1 Guard Claw with Belt is possible about 85% of the time.
Basically, any deck that can handle jumpluff will do well.
I would like to see Giratina Lv X played. Its good against Garchomp C (resistance) and if you KO any sp pokemon with Broken Space Blow, they are not recoverable.
PikaTheXIII
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Bidoof lock for Top Tier . Nah but seriously, it'll probably be Luxchomppp.
Politoed666
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People are dropping LuxChomp in favor of LuxPluff for BDIF. A solid Kingdra build absolutely destroys LuxPluff. I know from experience, on the Kingdra end of that.
If LuxPluff wins Nationals, it will have been because not enough people played Kingdra. I'm going to guess that LuxChomp will win Nationals, if only because dozens upon dozens of noobs will netdeck it. Most of them won't know what they're doing, but some will get lucky and weed out good players that get bad starts or can't get past Power Spray. It all depends on what people are playing.
Also, Donphan won't win.
If LuxPluff wins Nationals, it will have been because not enough people played Kingdra. I'm going to guess that LuxChomp will win Nationals, if only because dozens upon dozens of noobs will netdeck it. Most of them won't know what they're doing, but some will get lucky and weed out good players that get bad starts or can't get past Power Spray. It all depends on what people are playing.
Also, Donphan won't win.
jeffrey123
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dialga autowins. Reigigas autowins
dialga autowins.
But seriously, jumpluff will not win. Mark my words. The deck is too low on hp and inconsistent at the wrong times, not to mention that it does have bad matchups (like every deck I guess actully)
expect a rogue to take it. Rogue sp, toolbox sp, regigigas, or dialga.
TheDarkTwins
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Okay, I am just going to say this, because this bothered me. If you are teching in more than 1 Judge you are out of your mind. Decks don't need Judge to beat Gyarados, and if you think it helps, you have another thing coming. If you are playing anything but GG, SableLock, Palkia Lock or Gengar, you then shouldn't have Judge in your deck. Jumpluff, LuxChomp, SP, and everything else, has serious issues recovering in certain spots. Most players are not playing Judge in those decks. The ability to mess yourself up (I have seen it happen an insane amount of times) is just not worth the risk. My suggestion would unless you are playing a disruption deck, focus on what makes your deck more consistent.
I'd have to agree, you really can't throw things into Gyarados. If you are beating Gyarados consistently with LuxChomp, you are testing against a REALLY bad Gyarados list. Most are teching in AMU or other cards to prevent LuxChomp from having such an advantage. I think the matchup is closer than you think if the Gyarados knows what they are doing. I'm not saying it is favorable but I definitely don't think it is bad. Maybe I am biased since I went 7-2 against it at States including being the only Masters to win a States with Gyarados, or maybe I'm not and I am giving you what I think off of my testing with it.
Okay, LuxChomp, yes, Donphan, MAYBE. I think for Donphan to win the player would have to hit good matchups and get really lucky. I can see it happening as I feel that any deck (within reason) can win, as long as they get the matchups and get luck. I couldn't begin to tell you what I expect to win, but I can say that I do expect that most people expect what will be the top decks.
We will see what happens in just over 2 weeks, should be pretty exciting to see what takes Nats. :thumb:
Drew
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i think the decks that will be popular will be gyarados, jumpluff, and luxchomp. i think the decks that will be popular and DO GOOD will be Luxchomp, Sablelock, and Rogue.
CFOURCOLTSFAN
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The list i use doesn't seem to get bad starts and typically gets 1-2 claydol, 1 uxie, 1-2 jumpluff and then something else t1. It's consistent, i just fear getting donked but if i don't get donked i'm usually okay.
CFOURCOLTSFAN
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IDK I really haven't seen much of ERL floating around and Judge i have seen, it's just my gut feeling.
Also for Juniors I don't think Gardy will win, i think Gyarados
Also for Juniors I don't think Gardy will win, i think Gyarados
toxicroak 96
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There is no way I'm going to Nats with a deck that has trouble with Jumpluff lol.
Professor Elm
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Well, I will be the first to say I am a consistency freak. I constantly opt out of certain techs in decks just to make sure I get that 4th Communication, BTS, Bebe's or 3rd claydol etc. etc.
BUT, Judge is AMAZING! It completely cripples SP if they don't draw back into their Cyrus chain. It stumps Gyarados players too and forces them to get rid of their huge hands with all their recovery cards. It can be combined with a clever Mesprit drop in Jumpluff to put the opposing Jumpluff player in a huge bind and can tip the prize trade in your favor.
NOW, with that said, it shouldn't be played in ANY DECK THAT DOESN'T PLAY CLAYDOL. It's just too risky. But most GOOD Jumpluff builds are teching in 1-3 Judge cause of their heavy Claydol line and the ability to cripple the opponent in the mirror match.
You can quote me on this one, Judge will make a significant impact at Nats.
If anything it can cripple SPs.
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Yeah, same here. Jumpluff is about the easiest deck to play right now. And tons of netdeckers and scrubs will be playing and some winning (sadly) with it. It's a great deck but like Cyrus said ERL is gonna be popular and catch a lot of the scrub players off guard.
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