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Worlds Championship- why should it be in the US?

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It all comes down to budget.

How many trips can each distributor afford.

Remember...this is POKEMON USA.

I am sure the number of Japanese players in Worlds is not controlled by PUI, but dictated by Creatures (notice how ALL of the Japanese Nationals participants played in Worlds last year)

If TPC says Japan gets 30 invites,,,then Japan gets 30 invites.

It would be nice to see more international representation, but how many international trips did Wizards award??? NONE. and they had the nerve to call their STS in 2002 a Worlds???

As for European trips,,,I am sure if the distributor was willing to pay for more TRIPS...then PUI would make more invites available...

Seems to me it is not Pokemon USA limiting the number of foreign players...it is the foreign distributors!!!

So, until the game becomes popular enough in a foreign country to have the distributors increase the number of trips....the number of trips will not increase...

For all of you in the US stating that "oh, it would be nice if Pokemon USA paid for some trips for some foreign players", please feel free to tell your PTO that you do NOT want your trips at your gym challenge, and that they should ship those trips over to Europe.

I mean, like, we need ANOTHER chance for California players to win trips to California (2 regionals in a state with Worlds?!?)

OK, enough said....I am feeling that we are asking Pokemon USA to solve a problem that is not of their making....but is a result of some envy....which is deserved....I mean if I was in Mexico and saw 256 people at a Nationals, and had a gym or 2, but not much other chance, I would be jealous.

Am I the ONLY one who felt there was a larger International presence this year than last year, and that the foreign distributors are getting more generous with their distribution of trips?

I am hoping that this is a good trend that continues into 2006 and beyond!!! More foreign players makes for a LOT of fun at Worlds!!

OK, just a baby rant.

M45
 
This is what I think, feel free to disagree, but don't put my opinion down to the extent.

I think that, as a Canadian, and having the Canadian Nationals won by Americans, POP or PUI (or whoever sets up the tournament rules), should be more strict when it comes to the World Qualifiers. Why? Because it's so easy for a resident from the USA come up to Canada and play in let's say Canadian Nationals and have an equal chance of winning as a resident from the country the Nationals is held in. I know they only win the invite and not the travel money, but I think that only residents of the country should be able to win the invite (not saying they can't play, and the prizes and trophy they can have if they win). It surely would be much more work for the the TO and judges to go through every player, but then I think it would raise the number of Canadian participants at Worlds (4 per each age group at Nationals, plus 1 for the Gym Challenge), which is what i would like to see. 2 Canadians made T32 in all 3 age groups...it could be because of many reasons; bad luck, more players of another country, but i can't say bad players, because they obviously made it to worlds. Though, this could apply to every other country.

As for where Worlds is located. Sure, let's have it in the US, I don't mind. Say Worlds was in Japan...the cost for a Canadian would be nearly $1000 to and from. It would cost more money for travel awards. The only thing is there would be more Americans than anyone else in Worlds, and in the grinder, though if it were to be held in another country, Worlds would be packed with players from that country, so what difference would it make? People are complaining about where Worlds is located, but I think it's the number of people that represent their country that affects it all. IMO the number of invites in a country should be equal as every other country, give or take a few people. Equal amounts of invites, the equal chance it would be for each country to win, and that's what i'd like to see..not US Nationals with a quarter of International players. This is hard because there are probably more players in the USA than any other countries combined.

JMHO

edit: I've read a few posts prior to mine and i say:

Prime - I agree with your argument.

ryanvergel - About the filipino thing, tell me about it. Being filipino it costs a fortune just to visit my home country with my family. How many times have I gone in my lifetime? NEVER. So yes invites should come with awards.

M45 -

Meganium45 said:
Seems to me it is not Pokemon USA limiting the number of foreign players...it is the foreign distributors!!!

So, until the game becomes popular enough in a foreign country to have the distributors increase the number of trips....the number of trips will not increase...
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You are correct, and that's what kind of throws off my opinion. Some countries have no World Qualifiers. In 2004, Canada only have a Gym Challenge! Though this is the past. I believe this game is developing more and more throughtout the years. Think about it. In 10 years from now there are only 3 possible outcomes that i can see.

1) The game is completely advanced where Worlds is filled with more players from international countries .

2) The game stays exactly how it is now.

3) The game dies, which i believe is a sad, but good possibility.

There are probably more, but in general that's what i see.
 
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The problem is in Distributors. I would love to see some kind of Pokémon Europe or something like that. Local distributors runs more than Pokémon (mostly Magic), and they profit mainly from that. So they dont have any intentions in popularizing or advertizing Pokémon. Just for the record, our country got 1 trip total and 4 invites total (we didnt have age groups).

Lets say that a cost for US players to go to Europe is 4 times more than if Worlds were in USA. So with same money spent, the number of trips would be 4 times lower - which means approximately 20 per age group. If the Worlds were anywhere in Continental Europe (not counting UK) I can guarantee you, that LOTS more European players would show up, everyone with invite would go, and most likely more people with them. 250 people in grinder wouldnt be a problem.
 
Pokemon World Championships is a gigantic promotional event too, just look at all the free stuff and all the effort and money put into it. How many brothers, sisters, daughters, sons, friends, spectators etc havn't been bitten by the bug just from being there? (I know MANY personally).

So if Pokemon USA wants to use a Worlds in Europe to boost Pokemon interest to an even higher level, well, the door is open!!

You: "But Daddiursa, why gamble when we have a winning formula with Worlds here in US?"

Well, if Pokemon grows in Europe Pokemon USA will harvest from that too. And I can tell you one thing... Japan loves Europe too (they fill our cities every summer).
 
Having more Gym and Stadium Challenges in Europe would help, as this would givemore players a chance to qualify. I paid for my own trip to Worlds this year and had an amazing time, but for most this is just not possible.

A few more chances for Europpeans to qualify would be fantastic!
 
I knew somebody would came up with" it's not fair to compare US Nationals Players attendance against small European countries"
I agree, but as long people state the US had more players everything is not in the right concept.
If I take the size of the USA (m3) and take about the same portion of "ground" overseas, I doubt about that "more players" concept.

So I also took the USA State championships and their attendance to compare.
It's better to compare that attendance with Nationals due to population and travel distance.
I know trips were not given at States, but at the Gym Challenge and some States had even 2 of them.
But it's something to think about.

State championships/.. total/.. population x milj
MI... 75... 10 milj
Colorado... 94... 4,5
Texas ... 93... 22
Ohio... 54... 11,4
Washington... 95... 6,1
New York... 90... 19,1
MA... 57... 6,4
CA... 163... 35
N Carolina... 70... 8,4
Kansas... 68... 2,7
Illinois... 64... 12,6
Oregon... 108... 3,5
Kentucky... 34... 4,1
Nevada... 57... 2,2
Virginia... 60... 7,3
Iowa... 57... 2,9
Idaho... 38... 1,4
Florida... 94... 17
S Carolina... 90... 4,1
TN... 69... 5,8
New Jersey... 84... 8,6


And about people counting double in Europe, there are only about 10 people traveling around trying to get an invitation.
Jeffre Robert who ended up 4th in 10- (and his brother Jeroen 15+) were only there because their parents payed for the trip and spended much money and time to travel to several EU Nationals to ONLY get an invitation.
The same for Pierre from Luxembourgh, he didn't even had a change to earn a trip because there is NO Nationals in his country (it's a very little country and I think he is the only player there).
I have great admiration for this player, he is always traveling to play.
The same for more international players, they are paying their own trips and than it looks like there are more international players, but please give the credit to the payers of those trips and not to the program.


250+ people in the grinder, HOW many adults were there because they had the legal companion trip?
It was not only a neighbourhood party, come on.

What would help to increase international attendance is allowing 4 invitations per agegroup per country and in case they are not used trickling down to the next in line. (just say you have a week to decide if you use the invitation) You can even have OPEN Nationals this way.
That way at least players who are able to pay for their trip get the change.
It's not to difficult to do such, it's only a matter of registration and update it, what will not take that much time.

Nobody is asking for 4-5 payed trips per agegroup per country, because we are realistic.
All we ask is for some more changes.
We are not only asking/complaining we also offered help and reached out sollutions.
I know at least 10 very experienced TO's who would be able to arrange anything big in Europe (yes working together) if they get some PUI support.
Also we in the Netherlands could easily have done a States/Gym with 1 trip (sorry no 3) without any help (money)from any LD or PUI if we only got the change, but we didn't.
We tried to build, to offer help and are ignored.

So Worlds outside the US, I don't see it happening on short term.
More changes for outside US players to participate Worlds, possible but depending on Policy Company and OP contracts Worldwide.
Sollutions: many available, but as stated somewere. PUI is almost never listening to their consumers when taking decissions.
So why am I still waisting time trying to find sollutions, because somewere deep inside I know things are possible, I know things can be done, but it takes some creative thinking.
 
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Much of the cost for worlds is the same if the event were held outside the USA. Hotels, Organisation. Staff, banners, prizes.

International air travel is expensive. More expensive that USA domestic air fares, which would reduce the USA presence at Worlds outside the USA. But given enough notice I think that their would still be a strong USA presence even if the Worlds event was held in Europe.

Worlds in Europe? not next year thats sure but in 3 years time whos to say where the best place for Worlds might be. Pokemon may continue its rapid growth in sales and each region might end up with its own Worlds-size event.

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I wish PokePop would get his magic 8 ball fixed!
 
Maybe run an extra, smaller Worlds (in a different country every year), which the top 2 in each age group from every country (yes, just top 2, even from USA, so that it is like a competition between the nations) get trips to.

Yes, the USA is bigger, but that doesn't mean they get 4 teams in the Soccer World Cup, do they?

This event would be in ADDITION to the big Worlds that we're used to- and would just be to determine which COUNTRY is the winner, not which person (like the California Worlds).
 
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Hey, I would be all for a "European Cup" type of event (kind of like the Stadium was supposed to be), wherein there would be a large event in Europe to crown the European Champion...

Kind of like the victory road idea in Japan for their domestic events...

I would love to see a more international flair at Worlds...the presence was larger this year, and hopefully a sign of things to come...

But...it must be made clear...

STOP expecting Pokemon USA to give the trips...that is up to your International Distributors to do!!!

So...it could be said...for better or for worse...the European problem and solution starts at HOME...

M45
 
Lone_Cubone said:
On the same note, why does the World Series of baseball only involve American teams (plus one Canadian)?
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People in the US are conceited?

Baseball is doing something about this, though.
 
*coughs*

Let's NOT send this off-topic into a discussion of major league baseball, please....=/

'mom
 
pichaque said:
I think that, as a Canadian, and having the Canadian Nationals won by Americans, POP or PUI (or whoever sets up the tournament rules), should be more strict when it comes to the World Qualifiers. Why? Because it's so easy for a resident from the USA come up to Canada and play in let's say Canadian Nationals and have an equal chance of winning as a resident from the country the Nationals is held in. I know they only win the invite and not the travel money, but I think that only residents of the country should be able to win the invite (not saying they can't play, and the prizes and trophy they can have if they win). .
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The 'whoever' you refer to would be me. After attending the Canadian Nationals this year (nice job Marvin and crew) I have to say I agree with you. In 2006 the National Championships of Canada, Mexico and probably the US will require legal residency. The same will not be true of Gyms.
 
Pete De Shaw said:
The 'whoever' you refer to would be me. After attending the Canadian Nationals this year (nice job Marvin and crew) I have to say I agree with you. In 2006 the National Championships of Canada, Mexico and probably the US will require legal residency. The same will not be true of Gyms.
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Does this apply to Europe too?
 
i have no problem with worlds being in the usa- yah it wud be crazy to fly all the american players to london etc BUT why san diego?!

its like the furthest geographical point from europe in the usa except hawaii and alaska!!! i dont get it- they want people to attend right? so why not have it on the east coast- new york perhaps. myself and a few other europeans im sure would be able to find the cash to fly to NYC but not the extra £s to cali.
 
Dom Jordan said:
But those are the exact points that are being argued:

Why is it based on population/player base of a specific NATION, and not a continent (Europe)?
Why are the most trips given to US players?

btw
I'm not taking part in this argument, just re-stressing the points being made.
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Even if you do calculate by Continent, then to the U.S.'s total, you have to add Canada, Mexico, and the nearby Latin countries.


The decision to have Worlds in the U.S. every year I'm sure is a simple one. PUI has to send a reasonable amount of employees to staff, since they're the host. It would be much less costly to fly them within the country rather than overseas.

Afirule - I'm guessing the reason for California, is that it's a shorter flight for the Japanese players. So the Europeans get short changed again.
 
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afirule said:
i have no problem with worlds being in the usa- yah it wud be crazy to fly all the american players to london etc BUT why san diego?!

its like the furthest geographical point from europe in the usa except hawaii and alaska!!! i dont get it- they want people to attend right? so why not have it on the east coast- new york perhaps. myself and a few other europeans im sure would be able to find the cash to fly to NYC but not the extra £s to cali.
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It wasin floirda(east coast) for 2004, and im sure the japanese like the west coast, either way, the US is in the middle of asia/europe, so it doesnt really matter, it was in seattle in 2002(not nintendo, but still a 'worlds')

theyll probably go east coast in 2007
 
Before the announcement that Worlds 2006 would be in Aneheim, I was under the impression that they'd have worlds in the SE one year, SW the next, NW the next year, then the NE the year after that.

So it would be a four year cycle, between Florida, California, Washington, and New York*. That would make more sense to me than Florida, California, California, something...



*Or somewhere close
 
Flaming_Spinach said:
Before the announcement that Worlds 2006 would be in Aneheim, I was under the impression that they'd have worlds in the SE one year, SW the next, NW the next year, then the NE the year after that.

So it would be a four year cycle, between Florida, California, Washington, and New York*. That would make more sense to me than Florida, California, California, something...



*Or somewhere close
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Well, it was in seattle for 2002

so it went

NW
SE
SW
SW-ish

i doubt itll be in new york, just so expensive... it is probably going to continue to be in big tourist areas (NYC is very touristy... but it's not the same family oritented tourism like orlando or anaheim is with disney and old people)
 
Hawaii is in the USA!!!

(responding to PokeMom) Yah, there were only 24 TOTAL players at the 2001 and 2002 TMBs in Hawaii, and 12 of those were from Japan, 3 from the US, and the rest World-wide (mostly Europe).

LOTR has a World Cup in addition to a World Championship. The World Cup is very selective and HARD to get invited to, AND it's in Germany every year. IMO, the Tropical Mega Battle could be Pokemon's World Cup. Invite a VERY select group of across-the-board country reps based on some subjective criteria and hold it outside the USA. I could work!
 
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