PkmnManiac
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You're talking about the Prime versions, right? Switch the Energy and then heal, right?
And...would somebody tell me how Dialga Chomp has a chance of survival? I know somebody in my area who has one; Gyarados that is.
Gentlemen, how do we beat Machamp...Gyarados?
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And...would somebody tell me how Dialga Chomp has a chance of survival? I know somebody in my area who has one; Gyarados that is.
Politoed666
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So is everyone hyping Gyarados and shooting down all the counters to it prepared to say "there is no way for any of you to beat Gyarados without extremely good luck" prepared to say "Gyarados is the hands down BDIF."
That's the logical conclusion.
Also... HEY! HEY! If Gyarados is sooooo good, why isn't it winning everything? Pretty sure LuxChomp still has more Cities so far. And there's no shortage of people playing Gyarados.
That's the logical conclusion.
Also... HEY! HEY! If Gyarados is sooooo good, why isn't it winning everything? Pretty sure LuxChomp still has more Cities so far. And there's no shortage of people playing Gyarados.
Austino
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There's a HUGE shortage of people playing Gyarados correctly.
Yes, because against a Sableye you'll have no trouble getting a Dialga Active that's able to deafen, a Power spray and 3 SP pokemon in play to use it all on the first turn.
ShadowGuard
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Ehm... this applies for other decks a lot more than for Gyarados. It's probably by far the most easy-to-play tier 1 deck right now.
Gyarados has problematic matchups all over the field, it just does well because it compensates them by superior speed, meaning, if the opponent gets a less-than-decent start (for example, no trainer lock from T1 in Vilegar), they can still win. Plus, it can be hated even more effectively than Luxchomp can.
Yes, Gyarados combines speed with high HP and big damage output. But so did many other decks in the past, and they weren't unbeatable.
SLOW DECK
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No, you're thinking of VenuCenter back in Base set (Venasaur, Pokemon Center)
Anyway, to be on topic Vilegar is better than most people give it credit for, people are able to play around it but still, an opening hand full of trainers and not supports against a Vilegar is still a loss (for those who enjoy running the mix of trainers and supporters) and Vilegar gives Gyarados a difficult time through Gengar Prime.
Politoed666
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Yeah, Devoluter smacks Gyarados around.
Something that can be killed by three Crobat G drops and/or Miasma Valley + 10 is generally nicer than a 130HP behemoth. What's great is waiting until they belt the Gyarados, then Devolving it with 50+ damage on it.
Machamp X + Expert Belt + Rescue energy = Gyrados + Resque energy + expert belt
The times I encountered Gyrados it just depended on who got set up first I usually Take out the sableye to win it since the chances of them having a basic bench is bit slim then having. Best bet is to take out xD
The times I encountered Gyrados it just depended on who got set up first I usually Take out the sableye to win it since the chances of them having a basic bench is bit slim then having. Best bet is to take out xD
Ninjask88
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I have never played against a Gyarados deck, but I have heard a lot about Gyarados using Cyclone, Warp, and Rescue Energy. I was just wondering if people have thought of Scizor PRime? It seems like it would work, but I can't say anything since I have never played against one and wouldn't know if it is even a smart choice.
Just thought I would say that.
Just thought I would say that.
In that matchup, the Gyarados player simply wouldn't put down the energy.
waynegg
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reading this and how many people are clueless on how to beat gyarados just made of say wow at how many people are new at this game. this isn't some new deck. it's the same as it was before and is beaten the same way as before. straight gengar sf, luxchomp with mesprits, etc all run through gyarados.
Kayle
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T2 Deafen isn't a big deal, but yeah, Spray is not as easy to come by.
That's fine, Deafen is the bigger counter, slow them down and set yourself up with the metals and all. After that the matchup comes to recovery, can you Remove Lost them to death while Heal Breathing efficiently, or are they going to out-recover you?
Mesprit drops when you need to heal breath are the WORST
jeffrey123
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Vilegar absolutely eats Gyarados. Spiritomb start into vileplume= GG
Ninjask88
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That's what I thought but some people make it seem that having rescue on gyarados is the only way to make a quick comeback, even though there is Pokemon Rescue and Combee...
Kayle
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Regice?
Having played the matchup a few times (though not VERY frequently) I don't think "absolutely eats" is appropriate. Even out of only three games, I'm pretty confident that those games were fair - each side set up quite well - and Gyarados won all three. The Gengar player even ran Gengar X and Rescue Energy, making it hard to avoid Fainting Spell (you can't use Psychic Restore to get out of it because they level up, they can scoop up the Gengar and drop it again, etc)...
Regice discarding trainers = winner, your damage output gets really sad after that. You have to take your time 2HKOing Regice and then Pixies, since I doubt anyone in their right mind runs Crobat with Vilegar (no turns!). Once I realized you could just set up a Gyarados, stick a Rescue Energy on and Regi Move all your trainers away, I was never OHKO'd.
Really the only thing that makes that matchup even fair is Fainting Spell. Without it, it would be easily in Gyarados' favor.
Edit: This is of course only my experience in three games, but...