PkmnManiac
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I would like to know how DialgaChomp can use this "trick" to survive or to survive at all.
Gentlemen, how do we beat Machamp...Gyarados?
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elekid_957
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absol prime and metagross sv. gg gyarados
Speedy Scizor
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If you can set up them in 1 or 2 turns that would be very good.
Skull Hatter
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Well men, we've gotten nothing done.
Gyarados on a not auto pilot, but in the hands of a skilled player is still the BDIF.
Where's those 10$ Luxrays?
Gyarados on a not auto pilot, but in the hands of a skilled player is still the BDIF.
Where's those 10$ Luxrays?
Medaforcer
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In case of 1 absol prime:
Regimove go!
In case of 2 or more Absol Prime:
Discard karps and go Combee, go! Then Bash in Absol's face. Actually, you only need two Magikarps in the discard after Metagross hits the field also and now belted 'Dos can KO 130 hp pokemon.
So not exactly foolproof.
nnaann
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Gyarados is very hyped at the moment, but it's justified :thumb:
honchvire
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Why Absol Prime and not Skarmory FB? Same thing and is an effect of an attack on field, impossible to remove.
Skarmory FB, Metagross and Miasma. Sure BTS beats Miasma, but you could be KOing anything with <70 HP when they hit the field.
Also this is probably a terrible deck idea.
Skarmory FB, Metagross and Miasma. Sure BTS beats Miasma, but you could be KOing anything with <70 HP when they hit the field.
Also this is probably a terrible deck idea.
Gyarados is totally the business right now. When ran with Heavy Expert Belt and utilizing Psychic Blind from Mespirit you usually can start KO'ing the big 110 HP basics in SP and by keeping Flash Bite out the game can keep this going while protecting your Gyarados from becoming 2 prize cards. I think the deck is phenomenal.
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CasaDelGato
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All of these gengar matchups are based on the sole fact your not getting rolled by turn 2.
You want to beat gyrados consistantly? Play Los Gatos ask Austino.
You want to beat gyrados consistantly? Play Los Gatos ask Austino.
CasaDelGato
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Fortunately, I know the strategy for beating Los Gatos, especially with Gyarados.
I have yet to see it work.
Yep, because it's way easier to get a Magikarp out off the discard pile + a Gyarados from hand/deck and a Broken Time-space on the field, then it is too use an Aaron on Luxray lv X and Lightning energy (or Premier Ball, or the second piece of your 2-2 Luxray).
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Luxchomp has a good matchup vs Gyarados. period...
Gyarados has weakness
Gyarados can be disrupted easily by early KO's on Sableyes and Power Spray.
the only easy way to get Gyarados back is Rescue Energy (which isn't searchable btw)
Gyarados gained Junk Arm, so did Luxchomp
same for all the other cards.
Seeker worsens your Luxchomp matchup... (which many people are including nowadays)
Austino
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Rescue energy returns both karp and gyarados to the hand
BTS is already in play considering LuxChomp doesn't run counter stadiums
A pokemon rescue grabs a karp out of the discard, or God forbid they play Junk Arm to grab a rescue.
Seeker is a moot point, unless you wanna factor in all of the scrub LC players. (I don't play seeker for the reason it benefits my opponent).
Gyarados' weakness keeps the matchup 50-50.
LC requires energy, gain, lucario, Lv. Up, and Flash Bite to OHKO vs stage 1, 0 energy, Ebelt OR 2 flash bite (and 4 turn, 4 ssu, 3 junk arm available).
I expected better analysis than the poor argument that LC recovers faster....that doesn't even make sense.
PMysterious
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Wormadam does well in this match-up. I you have the Sandy Cloak on the bench and the Plant Cloak uses it's second attack, you can do 50 damage, burn, poison, and confuse Gyarados.
Austino
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Warp Energy, SSU, flipping for the attack anyway all hurt that strategy.
Especially considering G'dos OHKO's every poke in the deck.
vanderbilt_grad
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I'm waiting for folks to start talking about Leafeon again.
In all seriousness there are lots of ways to beat Gyarados, it's just that not every deck can accommodate them. I think that I like Hatter’s post the best. Putting Karps into the lost zone is a major issue for Gyarados … but not every deck is going to be able to run Krow and Gengar Prime. Perfect example.
In all seriousness there are lots of ways to beat Gyarados, it's just that not every deck can accommodate them. I think that I like Hatter’s post the best. Putting Karps into the lost zone is a major issue for Gyarados … but not every deck is going to be able to run Krow and Gengar Prime. Perfect example.
Austino
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Heard of Meganium/Blissey?
It was orginally venubliss (back in the ex era)! >:/
Anyways, I think gyrados is a tier one deck, and that means that it can give other tier 1's a run for their money. Yes, there's ways to give gyrados trouble (Pidgeot TM, Dusknoir SF, etc.), but at the end of the day it's going to give you a run for your money, that's just the kind of deck it is. I think the only deck that even gives it a little bit of trouble setting up is dialgachomp, and vilegar, but even those just slow it down. Anyways, best of luck finding something that counters gyrados, and can take on the rest of the format. xD