What has Pokemon TCG really become?
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Excuse me Sam...
People have a right to be angry with you, from some people's view, you had no right to be representing Australia at world's with a deck that could NEVER work...Despite everyone telling you NOT to, and going 0-3 drop. Unfortunately Sam, some people are saying "Why can't the Australian National champion win a single game at worlds?" You should not have gone 0-3 DROP. If you played it out - odds are you MIGHT have won a game...
IMO, People who drop only care about winning.
I am not making this a witch hunt, but Sam, you have done some pretty stupid things recently that have annoyed alot of Australian players.
I have told you on several occasions to stop affiliating yourself with Jason. I stopped. And I am alot better off. Why should you stop playing until after Christmas? is it because that is what Jason is doing? You see, that is one of my points - YOU are letting SOMEBODY ELSE control your FUN.
Sam, as a wise person once said to me, and I will quote him, and I will include the name too.
Abhorsen said:
And I believe one of the reasons your fun has been drained away is because you keep taking decks off the Internet. Last year...in 06' you did very well. You know why. Everyone knows why. It is because you played ORIGINAL decks. This year, your quality has slipped, because you have been net decking all year. And it is also the reason that you fun has been drained away.
Sam, I respect you as a player, and as a person...And I am telling you now as a friend, do not quit for a while just because Jason is, dismantle your arche-types, build a rogue deck or two, come to league and play...Not to win, but to have fun.
LionheartEX said:
Perhaps I did go a little overboard with my reply to Jason...
LionheartEX
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um we shouldnt be making excuses for our losses at worlds
we made bad choices, thats it- no ones angry at anyone over it. People are going to have bad luck... all in the game.
we made bad choices, thats it- no ones angry at anyone over it. People are going to have bad luck... all in the game.
Krucfier, I am not leaving cause Jade is, i am leaving cause of personal reasons. I know people have the right to there own opinion but i think that people also have a right to have a break once in a while. You have, So i believe that i should be able to as well. Once i come back as stating in Jades post i will be using rouges once again. I just hope that people stop bickering now, durning and after my time away.
The King Of Magikarps
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It's beginning to become like Yu-Gi-Oh what with powers that block other powers.
I am not angry at Sam's deck choice. It could have worked...If he accepted everyone's advice.
But hey, I am not making excuses for our "losses". As I said, some people are angry with the fact that some people are saying "The Australian National Champion can't win a game at Worlds?".
I can name one - Aaron. That is why he went on a flame rampage on Crofty.
Pikachu* said:
The problems don't only extend to you and Jason. The problems go alot further than that. I have no reason to be angry with you. So have I been angry with you? nope.
LionheartEX
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hahaha so true
but Pokemon is a lot more strategic than YGO
we're talking about Pokemon Players in Australia and to a lesser extent in the world and the role models involved.
Exactly...Just like all this Supreme Leader stuff that Lafonte is going on with...I mean, if you were someone who knew nothing of the Team's and Arche-types and you were new, and you saw someone going on about "respect to the leader is honored" and all that other jazz they are going on about, I am pretty sure that you would be turned away.
As you said LionheartEX in the thread about innapropriate links in Signatures, it makes Pokemon look alot more like a cult.
This is all very interesting...
Who am I? As I've never made a post here?
I'm Adam/Pidgeot5/Peachrocks. Co founder of team Bondi, and I judged Nationals in 2007 as Krucifier said.
Anyway on the team thing. Our team is rather quite and like Lionheart's team, is mostly friends and jokes, but nonetheless, our team has seen a lot of dark days. FAR darker then what things are now. We survived Slowking and Wizards to put it simply. The situation is reasonable in Sydney, it is fun to go to league which largely thanks to Vickey, is at consistantly 'decent' numbers. At least for us and what we've been through.
Because of this, I see archtypes as a nessessary evil. I don't 'dislike them' but I feel they have their place, which is for major tournaments such as cities, states, nationals and worlds and not for slaughtering the younger members at league every week for status, as this causes the community to grow smaller. Despite this I was rather ticked off when predictably enough 60% of people at nationals (none of which from Sydney interestingly) played some sort of variantion of Flygon ex d as I like when there are 15+ viable decks to play to keep each game fresh and interesting.
Most Sydney players knew the card was ridiculously good, but we are more about having fun then winning with a popular card, some of us tried to counter it, some of us plain ignored it and challenged ourselves and had fun even if they lost. In the Seniors somebody played Hariyama ex and despite facing Flygon ex d 4 or 5 times out of his 8 games, still came out with second place.
Anyway I don't mean to sound so pro Sydney/Team Bondi or whatever as I and our members who are online get on very well with most of the players from other states and areas of New South Wales, I'm merely stating where we stand and the fact that our team and Ultima isn't fussed for being the best, just about having fun and becoming stronger as a group.
As far as our issues are concerned, perhaps these will take time to mend, no one person can blamed for everything, but all we can do now is say what's done is done and do the best to repair it.
Who am I? As I've never made a post here?
I'm Adam/Pidgeot5/Peachrocks. Co founder of team Bondi, and I judged Nationals in 2007 as Krucifier said.
Anyway on the team thing. Our team is rather quite and like Lionheart's team, is mostly friends and jokes, but nonetheless, our team has seen a lot of dark days. FAR darker then what things are now. We survived Slowking and Wizards to put it simply. The situation is reasonable in Sydney, it is fun to go to league which largely thanks to Vickey, is at consistantly 'decent' numbers. At least for us and what we've been through.
Because of this, I see archtypes as a nessessary evil. I don't 'dislike them' but I feel they have their place, which is for major tournaments such as cities, states, nationals and worlds and not for slaughtering the younger members at league every week for status, as this causes the community to grow smaller. Despite this I was rather ticked off when predictably enough 60% of people at nationals (none of which from Sydney interestingly) played some sort of variantion of Flygon ex d as I like when there are 15+ viable decks to play to keep each game fresh and interesting.
Most Sydney players knew the card was ridiculously good, but we are more about having fun then winning with a popular card, some of us tried to counter it, some of us plain ignored it and challenged ourselves and had fun even if they lost. In the Seniors somebody played Hariyama ex and despite facing Flygon ex d 4 or 5 times out of his 8 games, still came out with second place.
Anyway I don't mean to sound so pro Sydney/Team Bondi or whatever as I and our members who are online get on very well with most of the players from other states and areas of New South Wales, I'm merely stating where we stand and the fact that our team and Ultima isn't fussed for being the best, just about having fun and becoming stronger as a group.
As far as our issues are concerned, perhaps these will take time to mend, no one person can blamed for everything, but all we can do now is say what's done is done and do the best to repair it.
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LionheartEX
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This person here is the reason why I won Nats in 06 and why I am a half decent player today. He isn't some random
Ultima- that was an old Victorian team that was focused and dedicated to building games up and having fun.
I thought Gatr ex was an interesting idea, however some people have to make mistakes to learn. It's hard but you must learn when to step back.
For instance, I advised Marcus two years straight to run a different deck aside from the one he actually ran at worlds. Did he do it? No
. Was I annoyed about it? Not that much... nowhere near enough to get angry at him over it. Marcus has to do what he feels is the right call. Ultimately sometimes the best player can fail to win a game, if the odds are against him or her. You can't base a players performance entirely on one day especially with the amount of luck that can sometimes be involved, sometimes you are just destined to lose and other times not. If anyone thinks a lot less of Sam's ability because of one bad decision or one tournament, then that doesn't say a lot. Tournament results are not the only gauge on your ability, they might help but they aren't everything.
I am a perfect example, I haven't participated in any tournaments since 2005. Not to be immodest but I'm considered to be one of the best in the country and have people coming to me for advice? Yet I have no recent touranment wins (not since the one in 2005), and have never been to worlds.
The King Of Magikarps
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What striked me as a bit...Well...Odd was the fact that only you and Khion raised their hands for Judging at Nationals this year. I guess that goes to prove what a valuable resource Khion and you are.
Frankly, Australia has it's problems. Big ones, small ones, tons of them. The point of this thread is to not only address these issues - but also issues worldwide, like LionheartEX has said.
Honestly, I would love to Judge events, but apparently I am too young. Without Khion here in Brisbane...We are losing somebody who gladly dropped their other things to judge events. And we are left with just one, Robert. To my knowledge Khion is passing the baton onto Robert.
I do not think that anybody can do as good as a job as Khion did, but I hope Robert can try. Robert has tried to run our League to the best of his ability - with our limited resources and our ever dwindling numbers...
It is pretty much down to if Rob goes, Pokemon here dies.
I do not have any clue if people have figured it out yet - but people LL's and TO's are people too. Treat them badly - like Khion has been treated, and they do not have to stay there and take it anymore. They can pack it up and BOOM. No more League. No more Tournaments.
From how much I know of Khion - it takes alot to make him go to the point of what he is doing. As I have said, we can only wish him success down in Melbourne.
LionheartEX
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No, believe me. Nothing can be as bad as YGO lol... Nothing.
Pokemon will always have one thing: Variety
I thought Gatr ex was an interesting idea, however some people have to make mistakes to learn. It's hard but you must learn when to step back.
For instance, I advised Marcus two years straight to run a different deck aside from the one he actually ran at worlds. Did he do it? No
Ultimately sometimes the best player can fail to win a game, if the odds are against him or her. You can't base a players performance entirely on one day especially with the amount of luck that can sometimes be involved, sometimes you are just destined to lose and other times not. If anyone thinks a lot less of Sam's ability because of one bad decision or one tournament, then that doesn't say a lot. Tournament results are not the only gauge on your ability, they might help but they aren't everything.
I am a perfect example, I haven't participated in any tournaments since 2005. Not to be immodest but I'm considered to be one of the best in the country and have people coming to me for advice? Yet I have no recent touranment wins (not since the one in 2005), and have never been to worlds.
Gatr ex was interesting yes, but running it with Jirachi is just suicide...
Yes, I agree, Tournaments should never be a gauge on a person's playing skill. Especially World's - It does not matter how many times you go, you will ALWAYS be nervous. And yes, there is ALWAYS luck involved. And yes, people do not have to listen to other's advice. They do not have to if they do not want to, and even if Sam did a 0-3 drop, he is still a good players in my eyes.
Whoops typo. I never judged 2006, I was only there for the top 8 and asked on one complex ruling. I wouldn't worry about Rob either, from what little I saw of him and from what Ive heard he'll do a fine job. It's good that some people realise that someone does have to run it, I've run a lot of things and have coped a lot of stuff that I'd rather have avoided in my time, and that doesn't exactly make me jump up and down saying pick me pick me when someone asks who wants to run or judge something.
Im afraid I must agree with you.
Krucifier: I never heard about Jirachi, I just heard he ran Gatr ex, but nonetheless he's gotta make his own calls. It may have been an expensive lesson, but a lesson nonetheless.
60% of one thing is variety now? Then again, if any of your horror stories have truth I think a lot of us will quit before pokemon becomes like that.
See, I wonder if this happens anywhere else in the world? If anywhere else in the world, people are in the same problem, simply because they drive away every single LL and TO they get.
I have no doubts about Rob. I think Rob is capable of it. But what is the point of having a new TO and all that jazz, when without an OP manager, there will be no tournaments?
Jedi_Amara
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Remember, though, that our player base is really low, and judging means you can't play. You know most of us want to play.
Australian Folks,
Please help me understand your OP construct.
Specifically,
Here is how it goes in the USA in Hierarchal order.
1. PUSA
2. PTOs
3. TO's/League Leaders/Professors/Judges
4. Player
How does the Australian Pokémon community relate to PUSA?
1. PUSA
2.
3.
4.
5.
Please, NO Names, just functions.
Tx,
PokeDaddy
Please help me understand your OP construct.
Specifically,
Here is how it goes in the USA in Hierarchal order.
1. PUSA
2. PTOs
3. TO's/League Leaders/Professors/Judges
4. Player
How does the Australian Pokémon community relate to PUSA?
1. PUSA
2.
3.
4.
5.
Please, NO Names, just functions.
Tx,
PokeDaddy
LionheartEX
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1. PUSA
2. Local Distributor
3. Organized Play Manager - our PTO if you may.
4. Judge - professors, TOs etc etc
5. Player
Thats the way it has gone to my understanding
2. Local Distributor
3. Organized Play Manager - our PTO if you may.
4. Judge - professors, TOs etc etc
5. Player
Thats the way it has gone to my understanding
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