Ken_the_Turtle
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Whilst they wont need a reference, they do still have different backs. So are still an issue
Allowing 10% Foreign Cards once again
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Whilst they wont need a reference, they do still have different backs. So are still an issue
The 10% rule would mean that only 6 out of the 60 could be foreign. The most any deck would need would be 6 reference Cards. I don't see how dificult it would be to pull out an RC during a tournament (Same as letting an opponent read a card they haven't seen before).
I'm for the rule since it would make the game just a little more accessible.
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Unless someone is using a lighter color Ultra Pro sleeve that is see through, I dont see this as an issue.
GodBlessAmerica
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There is very little hassle in requiring Opaque sleeves for decks containing Japanese cards, and let's not forget that the mini 1-card binders sold in stores would be more popular because people could use them for their translations.(using English versions of course) The only problem that I've ever heard of that was the result of needing translations was that one guy at worlds 08' who had a translation for Dusknoir and no Dusknoir in his deck, who was disqualified because it was thought of as cheating. Other than that I think allowing just 10% of a deck to be made of foreign cards is actually good for the game.
Also, I find it completely asinine that Japanese basic energies are illegal. Unnecessary
baby mario
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That isn't a compromise, that's just going back to the 10% rule.
We've never been allowed to use JPN cards that weren't released in our sets. That would be crazy.
We've never been allowed to use JPN cards that weren't released in our sets. That would be crazy.
NoPoke
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personal point of view: There is a slim chance that a 10% (or even a 5%) rule for foreign language cards could be reinstated. There is ZERO chance that any Japanese cards will be allowed.
An exception for Tropical Beach seems to have the most chance of success. It will be interesting to see what this years worlds promo card is....
An exception for Tropical Beach seems to have the most chance of success. It will be interesting to see what this years worlds promo card is....
No, they aren't. TCP runs Japan. TCPi runs everything else. They are kind of like Chrysler and Jeep. Yeah, they have the same parent company and all that parent company cares about is the bottom line, but Jeep wouldn't willing give all of their sales to Chrysler under the premise of it being the same company. Or, better yet, its like comparing their video game sales to their card sales. Nintendo isn't going to keep printing cards if they aren't selling but the video game is doing good.
So, I'm gonna go with the "they are a business trying to make money" line and back it. You play P!P, which is run by TCPi, who makes cards in America...well, everywhere except Japan I believe. I really, really believe it just seems fair to buy their product to use at their tournaments.
But, one problem I do have. I was reading through the rule book Sunday night after retaking the professor exam just to skim through it and I noticed that the US is the ONLY country that is only allowed one language....that seems kind of odd. And, I also recall seeing lately that Mexico doesn't even get cards in Spanish anymore (I cannont confirm this), but atleast they are allowed that option. And, another huge disadvantage the TCPi card players have is that Japan's sets are so different than ours. If you want a Mewtwo in Japan, you just go buy the Psychodrive deck. The cards are readily available for them. We, on the other hand, have to spend stupid amounts of money on that one card, thus making people WANT to buy products that aren't TCPi prodcuts, which seems dumb in that they are driving away their own customers.
But, worry not, I'm fairly certain we will get a Mewtwo promo eventually and probably while it is still good, even if its not right now. The money to be made by TCPi is too great to NOT make some sort of promo item with Mewtwo EX. Tropical Beach is a different story, and one that I feel we should just stop whining about already. I don't like it either that only an elite handful of people have it, but it was MEANT to be an extremely rare promo, lets leave it at that. And, honestly, its not THAT playable, especially since truth varients are losing playbility during States and becomes completely unplayable when Raikou comes out. And, another thing. At the begining of the season, its was pretty much the only playable stadium we had....now we have a few good ones, its not that important.
Sure, having foreign cards was slightly annoying, but it was way cooler and more fun, which is the point of the card game.
The "TCPi needs money" argument is bunk because they, as a company, print multiple languages of the cards. If that was the case, I'm sure they would be fine with me having Spanish or German cards, seeing as they printed them. chrataxe beat me to it.
The "TCPi needs money" argument is bunk because they, as a company, print multiple languages of the cards. If that was the case, I'm sure they would be fine with me having Spanish or German cards, seeing as they printed them. chrataxe beat me to it.
Ken_the_Turtle
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Sorry, but this is just wrong. Especially if you're studying for the professor exam,
from the tournament rules document;
Canada
Local—English and French
Europe
Local—English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, and Portuguese
Mexico
Local—English and Spanish,
South America
Local—English, Spanish, and Portuguese
United States, Asia Pacific, and South Africa
Local—English
and japan can only use japanese cards too.
The biggest issue I could possibly see arising from this would be shops like TnT losing money from the foreign cards being cheaper.
As for gameplay issues, I really only see it being a possible problem in Juniors and Seniors.
My area is South America and we haven't had cards on other laguages since... uuuh... 2001? And those were printed on Spain and brought here, Mexico (and Argentina after) only edited up to Fossil.
By the rules we can't play cards from other languages than english, because that's the only language the official distributor (that's got the license from TPCi) brings here.
Also, i think "only english" cards is fine, that creates an even state between people who can buy japanese cards and those who don't/ignore the rules. It's known that with money you can still buy any card, but at least it isn't that easy.
By the rules we can't play cards from other languages than english, because that's the only language the official distributor (that's got the license from TPCi) brings here.
Also, i think "only english" cards is fine, that creates an even state between people who can buy japanese cards and those who don't/ignore the rules. It's known that with money you can still buy any card, but at least it isn't that easy.
Ken_the_Turtle
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Hmmm that shouldn't be the case. Regardless of if they are supplied or not, you should be allowed to play with Spanish and Portuguese cards too if you have them.
badganondorf
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I think having 3-6 foreign cards in decks wouldn't hurt anyone. (Other than Troll&Toad that is). Everyone would get the most expensive cards from Japan JUST LIKE ALL THE JAPANESE PLAYERS DO and Booster sales wouldn't be hurt at all. Also, the cards, players usually get from Japan, are usually the most expensive ones (see most known cards) and I guess no one needs a translation for Mewtwo EX.
Politoed666
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Yeah, but you're conveniently ignoring the "and YuGiOh" part. They do not have the same backs, at least not in the case of older cards.
Also, props to those of you justifying the rule by saying you effectively empathize with Pokémon's desire to "make money" because they are a corporation. Pokémon is not struggling, and they were not struggling when they instated the ban on foreign cards. It is not a matter of making a profit; it is a matter of making an even BIGGER profit, which is unconscionable, given the remarkable level of unconditional support they receive from the player base.
100% agree that the ban should be revoked. If judges have a problem with it, don't judge. It's really not that difficult to memorize what Tropical Beach does; you shouldn't need to look up a translation for it every time someone plays it. Reasonable players won't be asking for a translation, either.
'jmho
Don't know YGO anymore. But when UD ran it, only UD cards could be used. Don't know nor care what Konomi does now.
I guess the counter to this would be "If players have a problem, don't play"?
Except you would have to have a translation.
Of course you would still need a translation, but I don't think that there would be as much of a problem as some people are suggesting.
TheRolesWePlay
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:nonono: (second ever use BTW)
Judges judge for a variety of reasons and often the changes they push for is to make events easier and better for players. Several changes (other than the obvious cards being printed) are because PTOs and Judges provide feedback to the higher ups and present evidence for why they think those changes should be made. Removing foreign cards wasn't done on a whim, and I believe they had very good reason for making the rule (such as to prevent players from being DQ'd a problem I indirectly had problems with several years ago)
Second of all I don't care how easy it is to memorize cards, that doesn't change the fact that many players don't know what every card does. If I were to use an obscure card like Porygon-Z TM and didn't provide a translation I'm sure many players I'd play against would be concerned, and newer players who are unfamiliar with the game are at even higher risk even with common cards.
I'm going to reiterate this again to make sure this gets across. While I'm sure the money aspect had an influence on the decision the main problem was that foreign cards were causing problems in events, and resulted in a variety of issues. Such problems included getting translations from the proper source and not losing them during an event, which is not acceptable.
NoPoke
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@The RolesWePlay. I agree but I don't think you went far enough! I'd have made a stronger statement.
I'm sure that player issues and the resulting mess was the ONLY reason for the ban. I don't doubt that a few in marketing/distribution would see a potential gain and thus would raise no objections but that would not have motivated the decision that came from POP. If POP believe that allowing foreign cards will be good for all players and all events then and only then does the 10% rule have a chance of being reinstated.
I'm sure that player issues and the resulting mess was the ONLY reason for the ban. I don't doubt that a few in marketing/distribution would see a potential gain and thus would raise no objections but that would not have motivated the decision that came from POP. If POP believe that allowing foreign cards will be good for all players and all events then and only then does the 10% rule have a chance of being reinstated.
meganium45
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As a store owner in the US it is hard enough to make things work out.
The Japanese product in the past was infamous for giving us "cheap" ways to get tier 1 cards (remember the flareon/jolteon EX Japanese packs for a card that came 1 per 3 boxes in the US?)
If I am running a league and stocking product in my store, and I can't get or be supplied Japanese product (only for sale and distribution in Japan), then I would seriously have to consider ending my aggressive support of the Pokemon TCG at my store.
You all are also guilty of an elitism here. "any judge or player SHOULD know"...well guess what, some don't. "Well if you don't know you shouldn't judge/play"....yes you should.
The Pokemon TCG is meant to be inclusive, and the 1337 of some of the players (elite) is frankly distasteful enough that I think it would push Pokemon NOT to lift any sort of ban.
Pokemon makes enough questionable decisions with respect to supporting local card stores at this point (and yes, I know we drive a small percentage of the sales, but I am the one GIVNG space twice a week to support their game, Wal-mart isn't and Toys R Us Certainly Isn't).
If you even bring up the argument that running league brings people into my store and they buy snacks and sleeves I will **respectfully disagree**. Unless the players buy Pokemon Product, is it really worth the space, and employee cost to run league? If there is a cheaper place, or better place to get product that I have NO CHANCE of competing against, is it worth my time, cost and effort?
Hate to tell you players, but everything is not free. Anyone think we have to have free events to keep OP going, did anyone see the 4200 people show up AND PAY $20 EACH to play Yugioh in California last weekend.
Note - Yeti Shirt on the Dragon Duel Champion...but I digress....
Think about it....if you make it even tougher on the stores where OP is held to survive, then OP will not survive.
Vince
The Japanese product in the past was infamous for giving us "cheap" ways to get tier 1 cards (remember the flareon/jolteon EX Japanese packs for a card that came 1 per 3 boxes in the US?)
If I am running a league and stocking product in my store, and I can't get or be supplied Japanese product (only for sale and distribution in Japan), then I would seriously have to consider ending my aggressive support of the Pokemon TCG at my store.
You all are also guilty of an elitism here. "any judge or player SHOULD know"...well guess what, some don't. "Well if you don't know you shouldn't judge/play"....yes you should.
The Pokemon TCG is meant to be inclusive, and the 1337 of some of the players (elite) is frankly distasteful enough that I think it would push Pokemon NOT to lift any sort of ban.
Pokemon makes enough questionable decisions with respect to supporting local card stores at this point (and yes, I know we drive a small percentage of the sales, but I am the one GIVNG space twice a week to support their game, Wal-mart isn't and Toys R Us Certainly Isn't).
If you even bring up the argument that running league brings people into my store and they buy snacks and sleeves I will **respectfully disagree**. Unless the players buy Pokemon Product, is it really worth the space, and employee cost to run league? If there is a cheaper place, or better place to get product that I have NO CHANCE of competing against, is it worth my time, cost and effort?
Hate to tell you players, but everything is not free. Anyone think we have to have free events to keep OP going, did anyone see the 4200 people show up AND PAY $20 EACH to play Yugioh in California last weekend.
Note - Yeti Shirt on the Dragon Duel Champion...but I digress....
Think about it....if you make it even tougher on the stores where OP is held to survive, then OP will not survive.
Vince
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