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City championships won't have big enough prizes to warrant the need to limit previous winners. State championships won't either. I can't imagine Nintendo will pay for free trips for every state plus various others in other countries. But, I might be wrong.

That said, I think it's ABSOLUTELY unsportsmanlike to play in successive large-scale tournaments (like the Challenges) if you're a already a winner. Plus, the whole idea about handing down prizes to the next place finisher is STUPID. Prizes go to the winners, NOT the runners-up. So, IMO, the only option is to restrict previous winners from EVER participating in a neighboring tournament the next day/week (if the prize is going to be something like a free trip to Worlds). WOTC did it the right way after the fiasco at the NC Challenge a while back.
 
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SteveP said:
So, IMO, the only option is to restrict previous winners from EVER participating in a neighboring tournament the next day/week (if the prize is going to be something like a free trip to Worlds). WOTC did it the right way after the fiasco at the NC Challenge a while back.
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How would other TO's know who won in previous tournaments? There is no way to know if Joe Blow won in New Mexico the day before unless all TO's email each other. There really is no easy way to Police the events.
 
"Plus, the whole idea about handing down prizes to the next place finisher is STUPID. Prizes go to the winners, NOT the runners-up. So, IMO, the only option is to restrict previous winners from EVER participating in a neighboring tournament the next day/week (if the prize is going to be something like a free trip to Worlds)."

The fallacy here is that either way the same person would likely get the trip whichever course of action would be taken. ;)

The main thing I'm concerned about is a player winning in several tournaments and thus eating up invites/trips. Theoretically, this would mean the person is better than all those people, but in practice it just diminishes the higher levels of OP, which is undesirable.
 
Very good points.I agree with Steve and everyone else in that it`s definately not right for a winner of a "large scale" tourney to be allowed to play in another of the same type.If a person has won the top prize,then it`s only right for others to have a chance at the next one of a tournament of the same type.

As has been said many times,it`s good sportsmanship to let others have a chance to win.I commend the competitive nature in people but nothing speaks more volumes then a person who exhibits true sportsmanship by stepping aside as a winner and allowing others to join in the spotlight.

`Sensei
 
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Competitive and Sportsmanlike conduct IMO don't go hand to hand. =/

But that doesn't MEAN someone that REALLY enjoys the competition SHOULD be denied the opportunity to do so.

HISTORICALLY we know how BADLY these companies have COMMUNICATED to the general public, TO's Profs, etc NON-internet pokemon people about CHANGES, updates and news.

WE KNOW the lag anytime the webteam is involved.

SO what would be easier? Roll down prizes or DENY participants the chance to compete? WHICH is better PR?
*In either case how would they know the player is a WINNER else where?
Would it also behoove them to deny across the state participants?
 
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Competitive and Sportsmanlike conduct IMO don't go hand to hand. =/

But that doesn't MEAN someone that REALLY enjoys the competition SHOULD be denied the opportunity to do so.

HISTORICALLY we know how BADLY these companies have COMMUNICATED to the general public, TO's Profs, etc NON-internet pokemon people about CHANGES, updates and news.

WE KNOW the lag anytime the webteam is involved.

SO what would be easier? Roll down prizes or DENY participants the chance to compete? WHICH is better PR?
*In either case how would they know the player is a WINNER else where?
Would it also behoove them to deny across the state participants?
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If possible, I think the best answer is to run all of the City Championships the same day.
 
Man, we've already had this discussion 2 years ago after that fiasco in NC. For situations when the top prize is something like a free trip, and you've already won the free trip, there's no ethical incentive to compete again for the same prize. WOTC saw that and made the ruling that previous winners COULD NOT participate.

Plus, it's not a matter of policing. All the TO has to announce is, "no previous winners are allowed to play today." If there's a previous winner and he decides to commit fraud and play in the tournament anyway, I'm sure the penalty would be painful (banning, prize forfeiture).

Furthermore, I get a kick out of those who insist that competitiveness and sportsmanship aren't related. Personally, I've never considered one to be mutually exclusive from the other. That's why just about any decent competition that I'm aware of has rules and penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Finally, sneaselsrevenge's idea to require all the City Championships to occur on the same day is an EXCELLENT idea, but probably not feasible.
 
Did I state that the behavior ARE mutually exclusive? Eh, there must be a WIN at all cost streak in some, luck in most, and many just in a ZONE.

AND when the stakes are THIS high *well...* you expect EVERYONE to be a great sport about it?

MY trip!
No MINE!
You can't HAVE it!
I WANT it MORE!!
WHat are YOU willing to do for it?

All I hope for is that PUI MAKE THIS CLEAR and use all its channels of communication to MAKE ANYONE within earshot to know WHAT are do's, dont's and guidelines. AND the fewest complaints for all the HARD work they are putting into this.

The latter probably won't happen and there will be some angry campers anyway who DID not get the TOP prize.

PS lol, same topic DIFFERENT board and time...
 
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SteveP correct me if I am wrong but I think the situation involved a NC player but actually happened at a VA/MD challenge when there were 3-4 players that had already won trips and ended up in the Top 8. Fortunately it was resolved by WOTC but not before causing the player that the prize was supposed to be handed down too a lot of pain, phone calls, etc... I agree that players should be able to participate outside of their city BUT only if they have not won a City Championship. Since the City feeds the state championship then it should not matter what the prize is on whether or not a previous player who won can play in other City Championships. Also why complicate things more by trying to figure out who the prize should be handed down too ??? I agree that it can be hard to get this info out to the masses (especially if they don't use the internet) but if Nintendo can communicate to TO's running these championships and to League Leaders then this can be communicated to the players. Then the players will know before the tournament starts, what the panalty will be, and Nintendo will be able to enforce this if a player violates it since the prize is coming from them. Nintendo has done a great job so far so I have faith they will know how to handle this scenario.
 
I think that sneaselsrevenge has the answer, run all city championships on the same day.

As for MTG, last time I played, they did not allow out-of-state people to participate in States tournaments.
 
Well that wouldn't b vry smart business-wise. Afterall this is a business. Nintendo wants people to travel around and spend moe and more money, have fun, and indulge in their product. I'm expecting them to be held over a Saturday an Sunday like the prereleases, but on the off-chance that someone wins 2 seats, that second seat will vanish. I hav read everythn that was sai so far, but this is just my opinion- whatdo I know? We'll wait and see I guess...
 
I can’t believe some people opinions that a person (any age group) should be aloud to win more than one top prize in a major event run of tournaments. What is it; you feel the less people to the next stage will mean the winner (the ones with this opinion) will have more of a chance to win the next stage of events. In my opinion (which is thought out for the best of the many not just one), prizes should be handed down, players should be allowed to play, as many as they are able, only are able to win top prize once in an event run.

Players play as many as they want: we all want more participation in events and want a chance to play and increase our standings.

One top prize per play per event run: I want and think the more players at a top event better. And that makes it easier for people to go to have more unique winners (not 1 person from ever other event or more win 2 different ones).

Prizes should be handed down: if the top play (only 1st place handed down) already won. To support my last 2 statements, more top players at the next stage and for all players to play as many as they want for standings. Now I think Nintendo should plan for this but only tell the TO how to handle the situation if it arise with extra prizes (packs preferred) for the actual 1st place. (i.e.: not tell everyone that this is normal operation just wait to see if it happen and let the TO handle it but with backup from Nintendo.

This is to be fun for everyone, have max participation, but also provide good rivalry and competition.
 
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I think everyone is complaining and really have no reason to. The only thing here at stake is a prize package. I have heard nothing of trips at all. They way I understand things, and I may be wrong on this, but the State Championships are open and anyone can play in those. The city Championships are just to promote the State Championships and help players get ready for State. Players also get some extras for winning the City Championships. As far as I know there are only like 4 professor's in Indiana right now. That would mean possibly 4 winners. That would be a really boring State Championship if they only had city winners playing in state. I honestly have no idea what the prize package consists of, but I doubt it is worth complaining about. I have been told the prizes for these will not be as good as the Pre-release tournaments.
 
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I think everyone is complaining and really have no reason to. The only thing here at stake is a prize package. I have heard nothing of trips at all. They way I understand things, and I may be wrong on this, but the State Championships are open and anyone can play in those. The city Championships are just to promote the State Championships and help players get ready for State. Players also get some extras for winning the City Championships. As far as I know there are only like 4 professor's in Indiana right now. That would mean possibly 4 winners. That would be a really boring State Championship if they only had city winners playing in state. I honestly have no idea what the prize package consists of, but I doubt it is worth complaining about. I have been told the prizes for these will not be as good as the Pre-release tournaments.
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I'm not sure where you got your info, but its been my understanding that the top 3-4 from each City Championship moves on to the State Championships. I haven't seen anything yet to imply the states would be open to anyone.
 
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I'm not sure where you got your info, but its been my understanding that the top 3-4 from each City Championship moves on to the State Championships. I haven't seen anything yet to imply the states would be open to anyone.
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All Premier Tournament Organizers received an email yesterday about the City Championships. In the email he said nothing about anyone receiving trips to State Championships. That players would receive VIP packages when they attended the State Championships. They receive them there because if you don't have 24 players at your City Championship then there is no VIP package for that location.

This is a direct quote from Pokemon-TCG website

The first place winner in each age category will also receive a special City Champion VIP package when they attend their State's Championship Tournament in April.
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Your right in one thing, it is the top 3 players from the City Championships receiving the VIP package. But that is one from each age group. I only know of one City Championship even being considered for Michigan. I imagine that will be run in Detroit by the same TO that does the Pre-release's. The rest of the professors in that state are either playing at that one or judging for me in Indiana. So that would make that States state Championship really boring with only one City Championship. One player from each age group plays nobody and wins. So it almost has to be opened. The only information I know of being released officially is what is on there website and what the Premier To's received yesterday via email.
 
Hey! Why is anyone arguing???

This is the BEST Pokemon has had to offer for a long time (possibly ever)!

Yes, the prize support will be less, but 24...Let's face it, if we can't get 24 for a city championship, we are all in big trouble in this game!

I can't wait for 2004!

What a year for YOU and ME and POKEMON!!!

Meganium45
 
I never really thought that trips were involved in the first place. State Championships will most likely be organized by the Primere TOs, they usually sanction in a central location for all players in their State in the first place. So everyone will have to drive regardless, just like if it was a Prerelease.

I'm glad we are asking this question now, even if does not pertain to this series of events. The Gym Challenges and Stadium Challenges are just around the corner and I think it is best that we make it clear to others and POP why we feel the need to send players away or deny them prizes.
-Phil
 
So, VIP packages will be given to the City Champs when they attend the State Championship. It would be a total shame if someone wins multiple City Championships in hopes of getting more VIP packages.

This is premature, but if the State Champs get invitations to Worlds (free trip or not), it will be sad if players are permitted the possibility to win multiple State Championships.

The argument that greater participation will occur if we allow repeat champions is HOG-WASH! What!? One more player at the tournament will make a world of difference?
 
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I DOUBT they will be allowed MULTIPLE VIP prizes.

WE ALL AGREE *who would not -_- * that would be absurd.

Trickle Down Prizes *not economics.
 
Bad Example:

Oklahoma didn't win their conference's football title. But hey, the conference's champ can't get the free trip to the National Championship, so let's "trickle down" the trip to Oklahoma.

Hey, I guess trickle down IS fair. :/ :)
 
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