Crobat prime: good, bad, or just plain ugly
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L00p_H01eS
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allow me to quote your words to answer your question.
(mostly beginners)
would be decent with plume but never came out
(mostly beginners)
would be decent with plume but never came out
Kayle
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would if i could.
i think 4 damage counter poison triggers an OOH SHINY effect. that's all i can think of.
vegitalian
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Quoted for truth. There really is nothing spectacular about it - it is an inferior card, and for it to be playable, they would have to rotate everything up to HGSS itself (Pluff makes this card look like a joke). Even then, Kingdra Prime would be way better.
ShuckleLVX
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Dude. 8 Damage Counter poison. L2Wheezing.
Yeah, I really have no idea either. I wanted it to come out because I have a little funsies league deck planned for it, but...
Warp Point, Poke Turn, SSU, Unown G, Retreat, Switch, Life Herb, Full Heal, etc., etc., etc.
I'd love to see it be made into something neat though.
Warp Point, Poke Turn, SSU, Unown G, Retreat, Switch, Life Herb, Full Heal, etc., etc., etc.
I'd love to see it be made into something neat though.
Deoxys Cool Form
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Unless you're expecting no Luxray GL Lv.X decks and everyone not to play Unown G and retreat their Pokemon it's a bad play.
Wish it was good, but it sucks.
Wish it was good, but it sucks.
No, Crobat PRIME doesn't suck. It just doesn't do 200 damage for 2 energy or have the massive disruption and recyclability of Luxray GL Lv.X. :nonono:
Some people just have high expectations, and if a card doesn't take 6 prizes in 6 turns, they don't deem it "good". But if we look back at the game, we can see that there have been decks that made an impact on the game that didn't just deal big damage on the fly, but had a larger strategy that involved status conditions and actual skill in the precise using of those abilities.
Flariados, Nidoqueen, Absolution.
Crobat PRIME is a very interesting card and does it's job better than most of the cards in the game. The problem is that Crobat PRIME has a weakness that correspondes to the most popular card in the game, and it is only made worse now than we have double weaknesses again. Also, it's effect is countered by the various ways to block special conditions or remove a pokemon from the field.
In another format, I will most definitely reconsider Crobat PRIME. He's not bad. He's really good, but he just doesn't fit the needs of the current format.
edit: Might I add that I am totally going to build Crobat PRIME / Weezing GE for league. That's a great idea!
Some people just have high expectations, and if a card doesn't take 6 prizes in 6 turns, they don't deem it "good". But if we look back at the game, we can see that there have been decks that made an impact on the game that didn't just deal big damage on the fly, but had a larger strategy that involved status conditions and actual skill in the precise using of those abilities.
Flariados, Nidoqueen, Absolution.
Crobat PRIME is a very interesting card and does it's job better than most of the cards in the game. The problem is that Crobat PRIME has a weakness that correspondes to the most popular card in the game, and it is only made worse now than we have double weaknesses again. Also, it's effect is countered by the various ways to block special conditions or remove a pokemon from the field.
In another format, I will most definitely reconsider Crobat PRIME. He's not bad. He's really good, but he just doesn't fit the needs of the current format.
edit: Might I add that I am totally going to build Crobat PRIME / Weezing GE for league. That's a great idea!
Deoxys Cool Form
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A card which auto loses to Luxchomp.
A card which does nothing if they Unown G their Pokemon.
A card which after retreating just fails.
For a 'playable deck' it sucks.
When comparing it with Dialga Lv.X etc then obviously it's 'good', but I was comparing it to decks which enter tournaments regularly. Perhaps I should have been more clear on that.
crobat prime is not a bad card, given it's not as good as it could be with the current format, but when the format changes, expect to see it gain some ground. I know and accept that it isn't good RIGHT NOW but it will have the potential to be good very soon. the cards that are being released with it in this set and the cards that will be released in the next two sets between now and the start of '10-'11 play season only help it.
baby mario
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Obviously, the suckiness of a card is all relative.
Crobat Prime might have been great in previous formats.
It might be playable in future formats. (That's pure guesswork though)
That's not very important at the moment though.
Right now Crobat Prime isn't much good. Mostly it is a Stage 2 that does 40 for 1 and then sits there while the Defending Pokemon is Retreated/Poke Turned and waits to get killed by Luxray.
Crobat Prime might have been great in previous formats.
It might be playable in future formats. (That's pure guesswork though)
That's not very important at the moment though.
Right now Crobat Prime isn't much good. Mostly it is a Stage 2 that does 40 for 1 and then sits there while the Defending Pokemon is Retreated/Poke Turned and waits to get killed by Luxray.
nnaann
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Its both attacks which kill it. The poison attack is so medicore, considering the outs decks have at the moment to cure special conditions - 30 snipe is also average. The HP is OK, but i'd rather take 120/130 if it didn't have a weakness to Luxray. Luxray needs just 2 energy attachments to Trash Bolt, and considering Galactic Switch/Poketurn/ Healing Breath or just taking 3 attacks to KO without any of those means it isn't a problem. I wouldn't have a problem Trash Bolting every turn if it gave me a free prize and made the opponent struggle to get a Crobat everyturn while having Claydol/Uxie shut off.
I think the card has some 'fun' potential just for those deck builders who want to do something different. I think the card is good for some juniors to play with. No, this card may not be for those who highly competitive but overall I think it's very curious. But then again I think Octillery, Mom's Kindness, Ledian are just awesome. But that might have to do with that I am a Mom, and look out for my players that just want to have fun, you know those who want 'a win'.
also, take into consideration, if you poison them, they turn. so now they can't level up for another turn. they attach to trash bolt, now they're down an energy attachment, they have to galactic switch to catch up. and from there on out they're down an energy unless they have a flint's. and as far rather taking 120/130 HP, you simply can't pick and choose it doesn't have a base porygon conversion power. just put in an exploud if you're concerned about it. IMO, they had to give it weakness to lightning to not break the card and had to limit skill dive to 30 also for the same reason. the guys down a PCL all know what they're doing, they've known and purposely made each card. they know every strategy and every possibility with every card. if you use healing breath, you better hope i don't poison you and force you to turn or retreat for the turn. crobat's severe poison early game is amazing simply because it disrupts so so much. i've been looking at this card for a good long while and it has great potential. just sit down and look at a card before brushing it off and playing luxchomp.
Deoxys Cool Form
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140hp is decent for sure. So is free retreat. But what's the point of all this, if its attacks aren't up to standards.
Poison can easily be countered by Unown G and just retreating.
How's it difficult to do Trash Bolt every turn? Sure it may be a little work, but if it means you OHKO Crobat Prime of course they'll do so.
Or if they really couldn't Trash Bolt that turn they could just go to Crobat G and a Poketurn.
nnaann
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They can level up, with the benched Luxray? Or if they run 2-2 they can rotate between them both? Luxchomp will never be outsped considering how fast it is, and the fact that you 3HKO them. Exploud can be shut off with Dialga, or sniped/dragged out. You will not set up a Crobat everyturn to replace each one, and won't win get a good prize lead 3HKO'ing them. You won't ouspeed/disrupt Luxchomp much either.
Even without a weakness, it still would be medicore. PCL aren't perfect, they don't make every card playable either. Take a look at SV, or some of the 'rare holos' from the last few sets.
I never said I was playing Luxchomp, but I don't want to waste playtesting time on Crobat when theres alot of other more viable cards/decks out there waiting to be discovered. Theorymon'ing is pointless really, you can playtest this matchup yourself to see that Luxchomp will beat it. If you have Redshark, we'll play this matchup.
Deoxys Cool Form
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To add onto all of this, I just checked the card and it has 130 HP. So just do 60 damage wtih one Crobat drop.
Simples.
Simples.
That's just covering your tracks, "oh i forgot they have a benched luxray" and i would never say never as far as being outsped (jumpluff sure does seem to do it consistently) and again covering for your tracks, is this luxchomp or lady gaga? luxchomp last i checked doesn't play dialga. and you can't say i won't set up a crobat every turn, i could get none, i could get three ( i've done it) and i'm not saying it not always going to be a win for crobat, it'll even lose 80% of the time to luxchomp but it can be beaten.
I acknowledge the fact that the guys at PCL aren't perfect, they aren't demigods, you got me there.....
But you seriously think they don't know what they're doing when they release cards? True that they release dismal cards but do you think that it's a coincidence that Blaziken FB( from SV mind you) is possibly the best tech for kingdra prime? based on how easy it is to get and get ready to attack. I also never accused you of playing Luxchomp, i would never falsely accuse you of such a horrid crime... but, if given the choice right now of being able to play crobat or luxchomp, which you honestly choose? I'm not theorymon'ing, i'm simply pointing out what WILL happen. I apologize for leaving any comments vague and too open to interpretation, I'll try not to be so sloppy next time. I will give you this, luxchomp is a beast, and it is very difficult to beat, i have played the deck, i have played against it. i do not like being on the wrong end of it.
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the attacks aren't up to standard? what's your standard? take away egain and all you've got is a three for 80 attacker that can use it every other turn. might as well use blastoise if that's your standard. 1 for quadruple poison is pretty above standard if you ask me. and true unown g does wreck this deck, but it's not like unwon g just got released with it. just because the deck isn't good NOW, doesn't mean it won't be good EVER. the two points i'm trying to make are 1) it's a good card and 2) it will be a good deck (not now, but it will) SP is just simply broken, that's what i know. it's hard to mount any sort of offensive against them becuase of how many ppl are on the bandwagon and because of how good they are. but other decks can make a big dent in the meta.
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