Expert Belt = really bad?

[Shen]

Yet Bandoom and Eeveelutions were so competitive in the EX era.

 

[JBowroxmysox]

Rocklock, Dragtrode, Medinite, Queendoom, Shedinja Stall, Lunasol, Team Magma (Worlds Sweep.... Anyone Remember that?), Ludicargo, "Swift Empoleon". Ri-Eggs

Gotta love how you completely ignored the good EX-based decks.

Bandoom (already mentioned), Speed Spread, Destiny, Dragtrode (main attacker was RSNEX), Blaziken, Gardevoir, Salamence ex, Medicham ex Locks, ZRE, LBS, etc.

The fact that you listed Shedinja Stall alones discredits your opinion, however. Anyway, Expert Belt is good. Just...don't use it like you do, Ghetto Overlord.

 

[Dark Weedle]

20 more hp and 20 more damage? is it really worth the extra prize? the answer is no, not right now. What is the meta game right now? From BR's we are looking at flygon, gengar, gyrados, and beedrill. what do these four decks have in common? the answer is big HP and big damage. with the exception of gengar but with people putting in relicanths do you really want to put more tools on the feild? So ignoring gengar we have flygon, beedrill and gyrados. since the release of the AoA set the hype is around mainly salamance X. so the big three from last time and a possible new comer that all do a decent amount of damage, how far will you get on 20+ hp? the reality is not far.

Example A: gyrados V. flychamp
I chose those 2 decks cause most of the threads on here are about mega HP mega damage decksand these decks have both

my turn: i have set up one of my gyrados and attack for 30 onto a chatot or a stall or whatever

opponet's turn: they send up a fresh flygon and power swing. ive used flygon for about a month now and is definitly my cities choice, and the average i do with power swing this early into the game is 80-90. so we'll just say 90, BUT! they have the handey dandey expert belt so they can do 110. unfortunitly that doesnt knock me out cause my gyrados has 130 hp.

my turn: set up a little bit more and attack for 90. so they have 30 hp left

opponet's turn: set up a little bit more, including a level up and power swing for 100. but with expert belt it goes to 120. for the first KO

my turn: the flygon which now is a level X only has 60HP left so i can easily ko it with a gyrados, or even a crobat and saybleye if i wanted to. but lets say i can pick up a dark energy/rosannes/crobat/insert important piece to this equation here, so i send up a gyrados and knock out your flygon lvx.

opponet's turn: okay now what? you just went from being a prize head to being one behind, but youre thinking its okay i have position, i can draw first blood on the gyrados. really? do you really have an edge cause if it takes two turns for us to kill each other and im a prize ahead, it doesnt sound like you have much of an edge any more.

Conclusion of example A: 20 HP doesnt go to far when people are doing 70-90 damage. like in the format now. next example is about the AoA salamance LvX

Example B: Salamance V Gyrados
First of all im not talking Salacatty but straight salamnce

opponet's turn: you set up a gyrados with an expert belt and KO my bagon

my turn: i candy into a slamance (the one with the body) and give him a fire, pass

opponet's turn: you ko the uxie i set up as a stall with an amaing 120 damage

my turn: send up salamance and rosannes/bebe/already have it in my hand for a water and crobat. give him a water due to his body thats all i need. level up and target you gyrados with my power. and play crobat/pluspower/bucks but most likely crobat cause that what most poele online are pairing with him. so drop crobat give your gyrados an extra 10 and attack with steam twister. taking 3 prizes. so now the game is HALF over for me. and once again i have a prize lead.

Conclusion of example B: Anyone see what im getting at? Anybody?

discuss please

this will never ever happen in any game between two remotely competetive players. no one is stupid enough to belt a gyrados that doesnt need the extra damage.

 

[Ghetto Overlord]

Gotta love how you completely ignored the good EX-based decks.

Bandoom (already mentioned), Speed Spread, Destiny, Dragtrode (main attacker was RSNEX), Blaziken, Gardevoir, Salamence ex, Medicham ex Locks, ZRE, LBS, etc.

The fact that you listed Shedinja Stall alones discredits your opinion, however. Anyway, Expert Belt is good. Just...don't use it like you do, Ghetto Overlord.

really? everything i say just got thrown away because i liked a deck from 4 years ago? this is what completly distroyes the eintire arguement? a deck choice from 4 years ago? REALLY?:lol::lol::lol::lol:

this will never ever happen in any game between two remotely competetive players. no one is stupid enough to belt a gyrados that doesnt need the extra damage.

did you read anyof the other people's posts? we have gone over how this is a bad example

 

[Sabett]

really? everything i say just got thrown away because i liked a deck from 4 years ago? this is what completly distroyes the eintire arguement? a deck choice from 4 years ago? REALLY?:lol::lol::lol::lol:


did you read anyof the other people's posts? we have gone over how this is a bad example

You didn't respond to the fact that you used out of context information to discredit that EX's used to be good. What other decks were good had nothing to do with the fact that EX pokemon were still good and played. And in that we are able to find giving the opponent an extra prize card is an acceptable lose given certain situations. The dillema we find here in this thread is whether or not Expert Belt gives a good enough reason to give the opponent that extra card.

Make a better example that directly affects pokemon, and has optimal plays being made, and reasonable situations.

 

[JBowroxmysox]

^ This kid knows what he's talkin about.

Love how you ignored the actual meat of my post, Ghetto Overlord. The only part that you chose to care about was a snipe towards a deck that doesn't deserve any praise, as it wasn't ever popular. If you had chosen to read into it, you would have noticed the point I made; both non-ex decks and ex decks were present and both were effective in their formats. You can see ex decks and non-ex decks winning many championships, further proving my point (which you so handily ignored).

But anyway, you really should scrap the first post and put some plausible situations in instead. As it stands, the situations you forced Expert Belt into are clearly a biased attempt to make a great card look like crap. The fact that you desperately continue to back your stance when many have supplied their arguments against it shows both ignorance and annoying stubbornness; neither of which help your so-called argument at all.

But then again, this is the Gym. Sometimes you can't fight the ignorance that is unfortunately ever-present here.

 

[Scizor]

^ Didn't Mewtric win Regionals and Worlds? I could swear that it ran multiple EXs. Must be bad.

Your examples are just proving the opposite of what you're trying to accomplish. If you really think legitimate players would make these mistakes then I don't even know where to begin.

Expert Belt is the best card in AoA, hands down. I'd get used to seeing it in competitive and tournament winning decks for awhile, if I were you.

 

[Rogue Archetype]

Yeah.

This thread has an unfriendly air about it.

We could discuss Expert Belt in another thread that actually focuses on ... well... Expert Belt

Instead, people are seemingly more interested in bashing the original poster.

I'm locking this one.