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So yeah the reason the gas prices are so high is because of the war. No it's not a war on terror; it's a war on how to help the saudis make more money.

So liek the Sauds owe us $20000000000000000000000 in petro dollars for us helping to bring them into the 20th century (by means of giving them electricity in homes, and building efficient power plants to support them). So when you look at Iraq who was driving oil prices down (since they have like all the oil in the world) the Sauds make like $0 (after the oil companies fat cats take their cut). So they were like plz US, take Iraqi oil off the market. So we did, by way of going to war with them. And that can open another can of worms about the legitamacy of the 9/11 attacks.
 
Lawman said:
There are hydrogen powered cars out there today. The byproduct is WATER! Gov. Terminator was touting the "hydrogen highway" in Cali where there are now about 22 hydrogen stations.

Keith
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The result is water. It does not run on water. They run on hydrogen. While hydrogen burns cleanly making it is not clean. Plus right now hydrogen fuel cell cars are ridiculously expensive.
 
drmario said:
The result is water. It does not run on water. They run on hydrogen. While hydrogen burns cleanly making it is not clean. Plus right now hydrogen fuel cell cars are ridiculously expensive.
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What part of my post did you not understand?? :confused: I said the cars ran on hydrogen. The result (aka byproduct) is water.

Keith
 
Flaming_Spinach said:
You're not paying attention.



Exxonmobil has posted a $40.6 BILLION profit last year.

That's equal to $110 Million PER DAY.

That's not total assets or income. That's pure PROFIT.



And gas prices are still on the rise.
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Fossil fuel's gonna be gone someday (Soon).

Let's just wait for that day and laugh at them!
 
It depends on which estimate you listen to, some have peak oil hitting at 2010, the other extreme is 2050. I guess if you think that humanity is lucky, we have about 40 years before half the oil in the world is gone and the prices skyrocket.
 
So every other solution to the oil problem gives rise to a problem equally as great? What are we supposed to do? Go hermit and become totally self sufficient? Grow our own food and make trips to the city once a month?
 
There's a tradeoff for everything, and there's no such thing as a free lunch. It's really a matter of which costs are you willing to accept and which you aren't.
 
Back in the 1960's there were estimates that the world would run out of oil by 2010 or something. More recently I've seen papers suggesting that oil is a natural byproduct of geological processes and that there is more of it than originally thought. IDK, I’m no oil expert. We will run out someday but not before we’ve exhausted the alternatives.

Keep the following things in mind.

1. Saudi oil is cheap because it’s easy to get out of the ground. You don’t have to drill through rock or other hard stuff to get at it. We still have plenty of US Oil, and not just in Alaska, it’s just that it’s significantly more expensive to get it out. As gas prices rise in general the relative cost to get our own oil falls. Similarly older “tapped out” wells are being re-opened using new tech to get more oil out of them. It’s stuff that they couldn’t get out 20+ years ago.

2. Coal can be processed to become a gas like fuel useable by today’s cars. Germany did it in WW2. The reason it isn’t being done today is that historically it’s been cheaper to just pump real oil out of the ground and process that. Again as oil prices rise the disincentives against using “coal gas” fall. I’m sure that there are additional environmental issues with this as well & that to build a large scale infrastructure to process coal into “gas” would be expensive.

3. The real choke point on gas prices isn’t the oil or price per barrel, it’s the production & refining facilities. There are relatively few of them and any problem at one reduces the ability to refine locally quite a bit. It costs quite a bit of money to build these places and understandably the oil companies have been reluctant to invest in them if they will not use them 100% all the time. But what’s happened with Katrina and other recent events is that we’ve ended up with less refining capacity than we need as a country.

4. Lots of countries use Ethanol as a fuel additive or replacement. The US effort however is hampered by farmers looking to double dip. That’s why the US effort is focused on Corn as opposed to sugary plants and other bio products. Farmers get paid twice to grow corn ... they get federal aid for growing “food” corn and aid for ethanol development. We need to change things if we want to really compete and grow in the ethanol space.

5. Hydrogen is an interesting alternative but IMHO really the only way you get to a Hydrogen economy is by expanding nuclear power. I don’t have a problem with that, but nuclear is hugely unpopular by and large here in the US.
 
Lawman said:
What part of my post did you not understand?? :confused: I said the cars ran on hydrogen. The result (aka byproduct) is water.

Keith
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Nothing. That was the wrong post for me to quote. I should've quoted the guy who said cars can run on water.
 
Articjedi said:
It depends on which estimate you listen to, some have peak oil hitting at 2010, the other extreme is 2050. I guess if you think that humanity is lucky, we have about 40 years before half the oil in the world is gone and the prices skyrocket.
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Oh so the prices haven't ALREADY skyrocketed? You people think the problem is a fuel shortage. Well its not. Forget the estimates on when we'll run out. If this keeps up, most middle class families will go bankrupt on gas before the Earth actually runs out of fuel. I'm not saying we shouldn't worry about the Earth's resources being exhausted. I'm just saying alternatives are constantly being thought of, and we have much more important things, like how to keep the oil company executives from become world power icons because they're so rich.
 
I am not dealing with any of this gas business when I get a new car. Electric / hydro-power / vegetable oil FTW! They may be more expensive, but in the long run, I think it'll be cheaper without having to buy the gas.
 
Azure Kite said:
Oh so the prices haven't ALREADY skyrocketed? You people think the problem is a fuel shortage. Well its not. Forget the estimates on when we'll run out. If this keeps up, most middle class families will go bankrupt on gas before the Earth actually runs out of fuel. I'm not saying we shouldn't worry about the Earth's resources being exhausted. I'm just saying alternatives are constantly being thought of, and we have much more important things, like how to keep the oil company executives from become world power icons because they're so rich.
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Well, it's high enough now, think what'll be when we're low.

Guys, you can forget biofuel now. The UN wants a ban on investment because it makes food cost too much.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7381392.stm
 
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Mew said:
So you hurt the wealthy to save the poor. They take away our future of alternate energy and replace it with saving the poor. (and the hike in food prices is stupid).

If we don't do something now, when will we.
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Ethanol DOES raise food prices. Currently ethanol in the US is made from corn. If you haven't noticed corn is used in a LOT of foods, especially since it's used as a sweetener. (high fructose corn syrup anyone?) However ethanol can be made from a bunch of different things. See here.
 
Bus. Train.
To **** with the UN banning biofuel, thats completely ridiculous. It burns cleaner, it costs less, and its a renweable, unlike fossil fuels.
Incidently, if food becomes expensive, won't more people take up farming? If there is a booming market, more people are attracted to it, and thus more people will take up the field in the interest of profit.
 
SPARTA said:
Bus. Train.
To **** with the UN banning biofuel, thats completely ridiculous. It burns cleaner, it costs less, and its a renweable, unlike fossil fuels.
Incidently, if food becomes expensive, won't more people take up farming? If there is a booming market, more people are attracted to it, and thus more people will take up the field in the interest of profit.
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Where I live there are not trains. None. Buses are completely impractical, the nearest bus stop is over a mile away. Am I supposed to walk there at night or in the rain? Many many people live in suburbs where public transportation is impractical.
 
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