TheDarkTwins
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I saw you post and was maybe he posted something about the rotation only to find that you posted percentages, :lol:.
Drew
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I saw you post and was maybe he posted something about the rotation only to find that you posted percentages, :lol:.
Drew
Ralts4ever
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someone on serebii said something about a MD-on Format. Because MD was was the last set in last years format. Personnaly,i hope it doesn't change. Or maybe GE-on. I dont want my jiggs to be useless. LOL Anyways, i didn't really read anyone else's post,so sorry if i sound dumb compared to others. I really hate to see PLOX go...:frown:
losjackal
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Don't worry, you may have a point. I re-read this intriguing post from a year ago when they announced no rotation:
I trimmed out a fair number of words in between those two statements, but go read it for yourself; it's possible POP has planned to generally have more available sets in a format. If so, then this year they won't "catch up" by rotating 7 or 8 sets, and instead will just rotate a semi-standard 4.
Discuss.
I trimmed out a fair number of words in between those two statements, but go read it for yourself; it's possible POP has planned to generally have more available sets in a format. If so, then this year they won't "catch up" by rotating 7 or 8 sets, and instead will just rotate a semi-standard 4.
Discuss.
Time Burglar
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I've made multiple decklists in the last week or so, each one taking into account a different cut-off of sets. There's one for Platinum+, one for Rising Rivals+, and so on. When Uxie/Claydol get rotated, I'd predict an upswing in Let Loose Giratinas if Platinum stayed in the format, despite the horrible retreat cost and nigh unusable attack.... it would be the last of its kind in the generation of psychic pokemon that get cards when put onto the bench, not to mention its disruption capability. If Platinum gets rotated out, that's pretty much it. Fire will have Ninetales, and I'm sure plenty of players will dream about splashing in Magnezone Prime when it comes, but the majority would have to rely alot more on supporters for draw power.
In response to the post above, what cards would be missed the most if only 4 sets did get rotated out?
In response to the post above, what cards would be missed the most if only 4 sets did get rotated out?
one season without any sets rotated most likely will lead to the next season with double the amount of sets rotated. 3-4 sets are rotated each year, times 2, and we get 6-8 sets, which Platinum-On sits right in between.
I really doubt we're going to have sets in the format that haven't been printed in a year. Stormfront was released in November 2008, 19 months ago. I don't see it sticking around.
I really doubt we're going to have sets in the format that haven't been printed in a year. Stormfront was released in November 2008, 19 months ago. I don't see it sticking around.
Quick Draw
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Personally I hope it's RR on as otherwise the format will pretty much stay SP dominant for another year. I don't want to play two formats straight with nothing but Garchomp C winning all the big events.
loudkirbyking
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Rotations are delicate things. Rotate too much, and people get upset about how much money they spent for it to be useless so quick in tournaments. Rotate too little, and a few deck types end up dominating due to cards from many sets making a grand combination. Thus, it would be easy to look at some options.
PL-on: Everyone seems to love this format, or RR-on and it does make sense. Take out the DP packs, and have a nice, solid number of packs for the next BR and worlds according to how they release the packs. But, the one problem is SP decks will be dominating even more. It is unknown, though, about the next pack coming out having some kind of draw engine like Uxie or Claydol, thus, SP's may not dominate for too much time. Yes, the argument of SP's using Uxxie and Claydol are true, but they still have Cyrus' and all of the SP trainers. Thus, unless blocked by spiritomb(Most SP decks have ways around, however), they have plenty of ways to acquire their cards. This is the most likely one, through all complaints and cheers. This or...
SF-on: Some have mentioned this. Interesting why people want to keep Machamp in, yet kick out Unown G. This balances out some of the SP dominance, and keeps some favored cards in the set, also leaving a nice, solid number of packs to go off of. This also keeps Heatran lvl X for burn decks, and Dusknoir lvl X for Ectoplasm. This is an interesting choice, and I think it will work out to an extent if they choose this. Though, it would be odd to only keep one DP pack and kick out the rest, wouldn't you agree?
RR-on: This one is what interested people the most. They figured out if they kicked out all of the SP only trainers, it'd balance things out and make SP's not so dominant. But it did it a bit too well. Without many of these trainers, SP decks will be slowed down tremendously, causing them to become more rogue decks instead of winning almost all tournaments. No Uxie, Claydol, Azelf, or SP trainers. It does, however, leave a nice variety of packs for the next BR. Though, perhaps kicking out one platinum pack, and keeping the others doesn't seem to good.
HGSS-on: This is, most likely, the worst choice. With only 3 packs for BR, you get little to no variety at all, not to mention knocking out cards which barely had a time to shine. Now, you get to see what's left. Maybe a jumpluff deck, and otherwise just Feraligatr and Blastoise. This format makes almost every deck extremely slow with no Bebe's, Roseannes, Claydol, Uxie, Azelf, or any draw or search engine we use now. You get collectors, pokemon communication, and Ninetales. Potentially Interviewer's Questions and Engineer's adjustments. That's about it.
Other choices may be interesting, and I'd love to look some information up on them if you bring them up, but most other's don't seem too likely. POP still need to balance their packs, after all. Too many can lead to a disaster, though I'd personally love to see no rotations. I do hope you enjoyed my theories on how each of these rotations might effect things, and if I missed something, tell me. I do not wish to have a theory that is lacking information that could be very helpful.
PL-on: Everyone seems to love this format, or RR-on and it does make sense. Take out the DP packs, and have a nice, solid number of packs for the next BR and worlds according to how they release the packs. But, the one problem is SP decks will be dominating even more. It is unknown, though, about the next pack coming out having some kind of draw engine like Uxie or Claydol, thus, SP's may not dominate for too much time. Yes, the argument of SP's using Uxxie and Claydol are true, but they still have Cyrus' and all of the SP trainers. Thus, unless blocked by spiritomb(Most SP decks have ways around, however), they have plenty of ways to acquire their cards. This is the most likely one, through all complaints and cheers. This or...
SF-on: Some have mentioned this. Interesting why people want to keep Machamp in, yet kick out Unown G. This balances out some of the SP dominance, and keeps some favored cards in the set, also leaving a nice, solid number of packs to go off of. This also keeps Heatran lvl X for burn decks, and Dusknoir lvl X for Ectoplasm. This is an interesting choice, and I think it will work out to an extent if they choose this. Though, it would be odd to only keep one DP pack and kick out the rest, wouldn't you agree?
RR-on: This one is what interested people the most. They figured out if they kicked out all of the SP only trainers, it'd balance things out and make SP's not so dominant. But it did it a bit too well. Without many of these trainers, SP decks will be slowed down tremendously, causing them to become more rogue decks instead of winning almost all tournaments. No Uxie, Claydol, Azelf, or SP trainers. It does, however, leave a nice variety of packs for the next BR. Though, perhaps kicking out one platinum pack, and keeping the others doesn't seem to good.
HGSS-on: This is, most likely, the worst choice. With only 3 packs for BR, you get little to no variety at all, not to mention knocking out cards which barely had a time to shine. Now, you get to see what's left. Maybe a jumpluff deck, and otherwise just Feraligatr and Blastoise. This format makes almost every deck extremely slow with no Bebe's, Roseannes, Claydol, Uxie, Azelf, or any draw or search engine we use now. You get collectors, pokemon communication, and Ninetales. Potentially Interviewer's Questions and Engineer's adjustments. That's about it.
Other choices may be interesting, and I'd love to look some information up on them if you bring them up, but most other's don't seem too likely. POP still need to balance their packs, after all. Too many can lead to a disaster, though I'd personally love to see no rotations. I do hope you enjoyed my theories on how each of these rotations might effect things, and if I missed something, tell me. I do not wish to have a theory that is lacking information that could be very helpful.
IMO, you can't rotate GE and leave SF legal. It would be a very poor decision.
Also, I don't really understand how people are saying that RR-On would "balance" SPs. It would destroy SPs almost entirely, and make most of them unplayable. It definitely wouldn't make them equal with everything else (not that I think SP archetypes are necessarily crazy broken like some seem to).
Also, I don't really understand how people are saying that RR-On would "balance" SPs. It would destroy SPs almost entirely, and make most of them unplayable. It definitely wouldn't make them equal with everything else (not that I think SP archetypes are necessarily crazy broken like some seem to).
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I still say it's one of two choices, and I'd be surprised if it's something different...
MD-on. This follows a pattern of having the Spring set stick around one format longer than the Summer, Fall, and Winter sets. It's happened more often than not, and I'm a big fan of following history. Also, one of the reasons given for no rotation last year was to expand the number of sets in the Modified format. if they truly want to do that, then rotating 6+ sets wouldn't be particularly wise.
PT-on. This follows a "block" pattern of set releases. The first 6 sets in Modified are all DP sets, and the next four are PT sets. Also, it makes the TO's job much easier. "Only cards from Platinum and HS sets are legal". That's very easy to say and very easy to enforce. If only they keep with the 4 sets per block, it'll make format shifts so much easier.
MD-on. This follows a pattern of having the Spring set stick around one format longer than the Summer, Fall, and Winter sets. It's happened more often than not, and I'm a big fan of following history. Also, one of the reasons given for no rotation last year was to expand the number of sets in the Modified format. if they truly want to do that, then rotating 6+ sets wouldn't be particularly wise.
PT-on. This follows a "block" pattern of set releases. The first 6 sets in Modified are all DP sets, and the next four are PT sets. Also, it makes the TO's job much easier. "Only cards from Platinum and HS sets are legal". That's very easy to say and very easy to enforce. If only they keep with the 4 sets per block, it'll make format shifts so much easier.
TheDarkTwins
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I do believe the format will rotate less cards than most poeple expect. I personally would like to see one of three things happen. No rotation would be nice, but I don't expect that to happen. My first choice would be SW-on, followed by GE-on. I really think that if SF stays so does GE. SW staying keeps a lot of good trainers and Pokemon. It would be nice if that was the case, but I don't expect it to be PL-on.
Drew
No, but Gengar SF sure would be.
Time Burglar
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Seems like no matter what, Claydol is biting the dust.... I wonder if people will just run more Uxie's if LA sticks around, or if something more creative will come along? I can see more people trying to splash in Uxie Lv.X, seeing as how Uxie is already run everywhere and Lv.X has its own once-a-turn draw ing Poke-Power, and perhaps T2 donk potential in certain decks with double colorless. Who knows? I'm sure the price tag of an Uxie Lv.X will keep it from spreading like the plague though.... 
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Well, if it's still legal, it won't be as prevalent as Claydol b/c you can only really run one Uxie LvX in a deck and still maintain any semblance of draw power with the basic Uxies. That will drive the price on the LvX down somewhat. it'll still be at least $10-15 more than it currently is, though...
Time Burglar
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I apologize if this has already been asked on previous pages, but does anyone know (or can strongly speculate) what's gonna happen with the league promos? Will Claydol/Roseanne/Uxie/whatever else still be legal if their original sets are cut? Or will older league promos also be rotated out to prevent this?
The league cards are 100% being rotated. No doubt about that. I believe a POP official has even said that, probably in the thread announcing the new promos.
Also, there is no way Claydol will go but Uxie will stay, because that would mean rotating Unown G but not Machamp/Gengar SF. That would be a very, very poor decision.
Also, there is no way Claydol will go but Uxie will stay, because that would mean rotating Unown G but not Machamp/Gengar SF. That would be a very, very poor decision.
Time Burglar
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As far as I know, from what I've read on this thread, one of the possbilities was having only 4 sets rotated out. Someone posted a link a page or two back with some official talking about how they want more sets available for the big events , which was supposed to explain why nothin' was rotated last year and why only D&P/MT/SW/GE would be rotated out this year. Yes, I know that will take away Unown G but not the SF set.... I'm not saying I firmly believe that's what will happen or what I want to happen, its just one of the theories.
On the other hand, I heard the new Professor Cup was going to be Platinum+, but whether or not we should take that as a foreshadowing is something we'll have to wait and see on. I'm goin' nuts not knowing what cards I'm gonna need to acquire to make my decks legal before Fall, they better make an announcement PDQ!
On the other hand, I heard the new Professor Cup was going to be Platinum+, but whether or not we should take that as a foreshadowing is something we'll have to wait and see on. I'm goin' nuts not knowing what cards I'm gonna need to acquire to make my decks legal before Fall, they better make an announcement PDQ!
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