Let's speculate about the rotation

[Top Cut Comics]

PL-On is the play.

HGSS-on would be a HUGE slap in the face to those of us that have invested 1,000s in boxes from PL - HGSS thinking this was an investment in post-rotation meta.

To have a set out for 1 year and rotate it completely out would be grounds for a PokeRiot!

Hey buddy....

I am going to give you a flip side to your arguement....

When you purchase cards, you do it for enjoyment of the cards, TODAY, TOMORROW and who knows how long. They can not be thought of as an investment in the future of the game. PUI has not made it clear that any sets are going to stay for any length of time. You had this information before investing thousands into these cards, yet you still chose to purchase them. Nothing was promised when you made your decision. You took a calculated risk.

I completely understand that you need to stock up on the hot cards now, theory. I do not however, hold a candle to the idea of, they should be usable for "x" amount of time. Some decisions need to be made for the overall good of the game. Not for the good of an individual consumer.

Dealing with comic books, I see this all the time. People EXPECT everything to gain value and last forever. In reality its like buying a car.... It immediatly loses value when you drive off the lot and will not last very long.

Jimmy

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

I'm going to miss warp point.

Warp Point gone? Start the revolution!

*PokeChamp arms himself with a pair of scissors*

Forgive me if this has already been stated, I have absolutely no desire to read through four pages to see if it's been said or not: Platinum on is almost confirmed. Japan is playing this way and more often than not we're made to match up with their format, for ease and comfort at the World Championships. I see no reason to accept any other argument, as in my opinion, my evidence is the most compelling by far.

 

[losjackal]

Wasn't PK only in a single Modified format before it was rotated? Or did it only just feel like that?

According to my research, PK was legal for two seasons.

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Forgive me if this has already been stated, I have absolutely no desire to read through four pages to see if it's been said or not: Platinum on is almost confirmed. Japan is playing this way and more often than not we're made to match up with their format, for ease and comfort at the World Championships. I see no reason to accept any other argument, as in my opinion, my evidence is the most compelling by far.

Someone did say that, but it was based on activity going on informally in leagues.

 

[Yoshi-]

In germany we got Arceus Packs as BR prices, hooray for getting prices usable at one tournament
Anything then PT/RR on would be very bad for the game

 

[bullados]

I wonder if they decide to stick to a pattern from the first few Modifieds (based on Jackel's data), where they keep the set released immediately before Worlds and cut the sets before that. That would leave us with an MD-on format. I believe that one of the reasons given last year for the lack of a rotation was to expand the number of sets in Modified. Well, if they decide to go with block rotation, then we'll be back to 04-09 levels by the end of the next tournament season.

I can quite easily see them doing anything from MD-on to RR-on. I think PT-on is most likely, but second after that (for me) is MD-on because of the history of the Modified format under PCI.

 

[GOROY]

Prime, ex: Legend Maker was available for only 1 season. It was released Jan/Feb of '06 I believe, and then it was rotated the following September, right after Mewtrick won worlds.

 

[DragonairMaster8]

Prime, ex: Legend Maker was available for only 1 season. It was released Jan/Feb of '06 I believe, and then it was rotated the following September, right after Mewtrick won worlds.

Incorrect, LM was rotated after 2 seasons. Cursed stone was in Yamato's 3rd place Empoleon deck in worlds 07.

 

[lucario aura wielder]

pk was in 1year and 2 months from my source

 

[Rainbowgym]

Rotations aren't bad, however messing up sets is.
Cards are made with a purpose and leaving them out of sets (due to whatever reason) has impact on how to play this game.

 

[Politoed666]

I'm thinking that it will be PT-on. Rotating the entire DP era seems like enough. I'm actually not as worried about SPs completely dominating the format as most people... sure, Flygon will be unplayable without Claydol, but decks also lose Uxie, which had previously been SPs' chief draw drop. Perhaps we'll see a lot more PONT...? I think PT-on would be a fun format. Jumpluff would still romp, but that will be the case regardless of the format.

 

[vegitalian]

I think PT-on would be the most likely scenario, but I have my fingers crossed for RR-on.

PLEASE get rid of that SP engine Luxray, Chomp, and Blaze will still be somewhat playable, just less ridiculous.

 

[Zwittz]

i think sp will be gone for good. arceus and on will be the format

 

[losjackal]

Reviewing all of these great suggestions, I'm most fascinated by the "set legal for one year only" observation. It has never been done before, and if the format were AR-on then Supreme Victors would be legal this year only. Furthermore that requires the rotation of 10 sets. An unprecedented five were rotated during the Holon Engine era, but it's hard to imagine POP would do 5x2 especially with the SV reason above.

I looked for more perspective from the post a year ago where no rotation was announced. People were generally very happy, and were predicting PL-on this rotation. The big concern was about Uxie, Claydol, and Unown G being rotated. Machamp, Kingdra, and Gengar were predicted to be still reigning supreme. And then there's this interesting post that the no-rotation was in the works for a while....which is interesting to me because I had thought they made a decision like this because the SP's had become too powerful and they wanted to keep as many cards as possible legal to combat them. (This bullados post is the only mention I can find of SPs, I guess they generally weren't a concern yet?)

So maybe this whole speculation thread is much ado about nothing, if POP has been planning to rotate 7 sets and make it PL-on this coming season. I'd say there's an 80% chance of that, with a 20% chance POP goes the extra mile and includes Platinum (Cyrus' Conspiracy, Poke Turn) in the rotation, thus killing SP's (Luxchomp) as a BDIF "in the interest of maintaining a healthy tournament environment".

P.S. I just stumbled across Obsidius' post again pointing out Broken Time Space is also in Platinum. So all decks would be hurt in one way or another if Platinum is included.

 

[SLOW DECK]

Platinum MUST GO.

The SP engine that we got in Platinum is the silly/broken/overpowered part of the format. Luxray without Cyrus Conspiricy, without Poketurn, without Power Spray, Energy Gain, isn't that bad. The remaining SP from RR forward would not be playable other than in a techy sort of way. We lose BTS with Platinum also.

SP Garchomp and Luxray, without Poketurn or Energy Gain, you can have them.

Us r0uge deck builders want and enjoy whent the format to be "refreshed", the net deckers are just scared, because they won't have a list to play, or an engine to copy.

 

[ashinto]

Well, they still have DCE just like the rest of the format, they'll just use hunter and super scoop up to reuse powers.

 

[lucario aura wielder]

@vegatalian sp is just a mechanic stop bashing it so much

 

[bullados]

Rob, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Remove Cyrus' Conspiracy from an SP deck, and the rest of the engine becomes much more palatable. When you can't automatically search out basically any attacker, a means of powering it, and a setup for future turns, you'll be AMAZED at how the consistency of SP drops dramatically. I've got no problems with any of the other portions of the SP engine. To me, they're all various portions. Gain is the Gas. Spray is the Brake. Turn is the Cruise Control. Radar is the Fuel Injector. But Cyrus is the Key that drives the entire engine. If you can't turn an engine on, all of the other parts become much less useful, and you're forced to resort to more haxxorz methods of starting the engine such as a solid Supporter line and more useful generalized draw Trainers.

Also, BTS is the only means that evolution decks have for keeping up with the outrageous consistency and speed of SP decks. Candy is nice, but it's too easily stopped by cards like Tomb and Dialga. BTS allows evolution decks at least some measure of speed and consistency, and I'd really hate to see that card go...

 

[Rainbowgym]

IF we would have had Vileplume in this set, we would have seen likely a shift in decks.

For me it seems they always manage to keep cards out of sets who can really change the "metagame".

 

[hueglin]

Much as I dislike certain parts of the SP engine (for me it's Poke-Turn), I do think that it would not be wise to make radical changes to the meta-game so close to Nats and Worlds. It would put an unfair learning curve on many players - aren't the other touraments really like training events for the final showdown? Changing the meta radically at the 11th hour would negate the value of a lot of the building and testing that has already been done. Just my thoughts on the matter. Perhaps that is why some cards got left out of the Unleashed set.

 

[evil psyduck]

Much as I dislike certain parts of the SP engine (for me it's Poke-Turn), I do think that it would not be wise to make radical changes to the meta-game so close to Nats and Worlds. It would put an unfair learning curve on many players - aren't the other touraments really like training events for the final showdown? Changing the meta radically at the 11th hour would negate the value of a lot of the building and testing that has already been done. Just my thoughts on the matter. Perhaps that is why some cards got left out of the Unleashed set.

It would not affect world's as the rotation isn't until september.