Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Let's speculate about the rotation

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bullados said:
But Cyrus is the Key that drives the entire engine.
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No, Cyrus is more like the spark plug. Uxie and Claydol are the keys; they're how you GET to your Cyrus. Sometimes you'll be able to hotwire that Cyrus even without Uxie and Claydol, but not very often - you have to resort to, as you said, draw trainers and supporters to make the engine get to work.
 
Kayle said:
No, Cyrus is more like the spark plug. Uxie and Claydol are the keys; they're how you GET to your Cyrus. Sometimes you'll be able to hotwire that Cyrus even without Uxie and Claydol, but not very often - you have to resort to, as you said, draw trainers and supporters to make the engine get to work.
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Is there any doubt in anybody's mind that at least Claydol will be gone next format? I have a little doubt as to Uxie, but that's just my pattern recognition kicking in.

I have never seen an SP deck win a reasonably tough matchup (i.e. not binder drop) without using at least one Cyrus during the game, if not the entire chain.
 
evil psyduck said:
It would not affect world's as the rotation isn't until september.
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I'm not sure what you mean, perhaps we are misunderstanding each other. Some people are saying that Vileplime, Scizor Prime etc. should have been included in Unleashed so that they could change the current meta game substantially (in their opinion). I'm just saying that I don't think that the last set to be released before Nats/Worlds should make drastic changes to the meta game.
 
hueglin said:
I'm not sure what you mean, perhaps we are misunderstanding each other. Some people are saying that Vileplime, Scizor Prime etc. should have been included in Unleashed so that they could change the current meta game substantially (in their opinion). I'm just saying that I don't think that the last set to be released before Nats/Worlds should make drastic changes to the meta game.
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Luxray&Flygon had a similar effect last year and Rising Rivals was the last that came out before nats and worlds.
 
DonJoaquin said:
But Platinum came in Feb 11, 2009. Doesnt means that it will last until Sep 1, 2011?? U know, cause all sets had last 2 years minimum.
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Two formats, not two years. There have been several sets to last less than two years. None has ever lasted less than two formats.
 
(replying to Rainbowgym's post on page 3) I doubt 1 energy drop is that big a deal. Decks nowadays often pay it, and it isn't like you are going to send it active every turn. Plus you could always let it die, or let them bright look it out. I don't recommend this, though.

Also on another note, for all the people who want it to be RR on to kill SP, if they did die, then Gengar Prime would rule when it comes out, and you would all be complaining how broken hat is. We are never going to have the perfect format, so you'll always be complaining about something. Right now its SP, but if POP fixes that, then you would find something else to complain about. If POP tries to continually meet your demands just to get more complaining, I doubt they would continue being gracious.
 
Sir Bidoof said:
(replying to Rainbowgym's post on page 3) I doubt 1 energy drop is that big a deal. Decks nowadays often pay it, and it isn't like you are going to send it active every turn. Plus you could always let it die, or let them bright look it out. I don't recommend this, though.

Also on another note, for all the people who want it to be RR on to kill SP, if they did die, then Gengar Prime would rule when it comes out, and you would all be complaining how broken hat is. We are never going to have the perfect format, so you'll always be complaining about something. Right now its SP, but if POP fixes that, then you would find something else to complain about. If POP tries to continually meet your demands just to get more complaining, I doubt they would continue being gracious.
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that lost zone stadium gimmick would be dealt a competitive blow with the removal of palkia G lv X
 
The problem with Platinum isn't that "SP's are so dominant i'm going to cry alot boohoo". It's that the set itself is unhealthy for the game. Show me a top-tier deck that doesnt utilize the SP engine (barring 1-2, maximum)

SP: Obviously
Jumpluff: Crobats/Poketurns/BTS
Kingdra: Crobats/Poketurns/BTS
Gyarados: Crobats/Poketurns/BTS

When EVERY SINGLE GOOD DECK utilizes a certain engine (crobats/poketurns) or a certain card (Evolution decks run BTS 99% of the time), it is unhealthy for the game at large.

Now, obviously, most of you will troll my above comments and say "But DM8, all Stage 2 decks Use Rare Candy!!!", that is true. However, Rare candy is not a card that brutally and continually breaks the rules of the game. Without Rare Candy, Stage 2's would be near unplayable. With it, theyre fine. With BTS as well, theyre rediculous. BTS stays in play, and is a multi-rare candy FOR ALL OF YOUR POKEMON. Which one is more broken?

You decide, trainers.
 
DragonairMaster8 said:
The problem with Platinum isn't that "SP's are so dominant i'm going to cry alot boohoo". It's that the set itself is unhealthy for the game. Show me a top-tier deck that doesnt utilize the SP engine (barring 1-2, maximum)

SP: Obviously
Jumpluff: Crobats/Poketurns/BTS
Kingdra: Crobats/Poketurns/BTS
Gyarados: Crobats/Poketurns/BTS

When EVERY SINGLE GOOD DECK utilizes a certain engine (crobats/poketurns) or a certain card (Evolution decks run BTS 99% of the time), it is unhealthy for the game at large.

Now, obviously, most of you will troll my above comments and say "But DM8, all Stage 2 decks Use Rare Candy!!!", that is true. However, Rare candy is not a card that brutally and continually breaks the rules of the game. Without Rare Candy, Stage 2's would be near unplayable. With it, theyre fine. With BTS as well, theyre rediculous. BTS stays in play, and is a multi-rare candy FOR ALL OF YOUR POKEMON. Which one is more broken?

You decide, trainers.
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I agree with this, and if Luxray were not in the format, Spiritomb would be a suitable counter; however, he can be played around and the entire engine really makes the game too quick IMO.
 
Dragonairmaster8- Yes each of those decks utilizes SPs, but none of them would lose that much power without them. They help, but are not necessary. Also, Gengar Prime would do just fine by itself IMO, especially with hunter. Try keeping pokemon out of your hand consistently without Claydol. ALso, I think BTS is actually good for the game. It would make Stage twos easier to get out, which is very useful in a format without decent draw (PT-On).
 
DM8 -- By your logic, Rare Candy is the single worst card ever printed. I have never seen a competitive stage 2 deck that didn't run at least 3 of that card since Sandstorm was released about half a decade ago. Is that card ripe for banning? (IMO, yes, but only if they reprint Breeder)
 
Sir Bidoof: I rarely look at upcoming cards, as I know from experience that you never know whats getting printed and when (or if) it'll even come out (Lucario ex!) So I don't know what the cards you talked about do. I'll look into them though and respond referencing Gengar Prime and Hunter at a later time.

EDIT: Looked up Gengar Prime and Hunter. I never said that Stage 2 decks couldn't function without the Crobats/Turns/Luxray, but just that when almost every deck in the format, basic/stage 1 OR stage 2, they probably aren't in the games best interest. Stage 2 decks obviously would work without them, but probably shouldnt have them to begin with. And Hunter with BTS in the format seems rediculously good. Automatic re-use of coming into play powers from the bench, auto-heal anything....BTS needs to go.

Bullados: Rare Candy is not a bad card - as I said, stage 2's would be near unplayable without it. It's a necessary, broken card. Broken being defined as "breaking" the rules of the game (I hate how that term is so overused). As you said, Breeder or it essentially have to be in a format or Stage 2's get outsped by everything else based on the mechanics of the game itself (evolution). However, It's not a rediculously broken card because it's a one time thing that requires certain other cards to be in your hand at the same time it is to have an effect at all.

BTS, however, you can drop at any point in the game regardless of the other cards in your hand (and being the first turn, a game situation such as deafen, or a copy of it already being in play, obviously) and becomes a psuedo-PERMANENT Rare Candy for ALL Pokemon in play. This is unhealthy for the game, as it essentially permanently breaks the rules of the game at no cost or need for other cards. Being able to just blow up your board off of one card because you throw the rulebook entirely out the window just doesn't seem right to me.
 
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First Turn, 1 Energy Attackers Evolutions, with Claydols, BTS, and SSU is soo fast, that it is awesome. BTS without Claydol and Uxie isn't really the same.

Not all Evolution Decks "need" BTS btw, most of them it does work. The con's as listed for BTS is that it's doesn't go away, Flygon and Relicath food, it can help your opponents more than it helps you at times. My current Flygon build, I pulled all of my BTS. Flygon isn't a T1 attacker, thus it makes sense.

If rare candy wasn't Re-printed in UL, one could almost put all of the Stage 2 decks in the dead and unplayable Fossil pokemon box. Long live the candy.
 
Rogue Archetype said:
PL-On is the play.

HGSS-on would be a HUGE slap in the face to those of us that have invested 1,000s in boxes from PL - HGSS thinking this was an investment in post-rotation meta.

To have a set out for 1 year and rotate it completely out would be grounds for a PokeRiot!
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RR-On should be the play. That hurts alot of SP decks while at the same time improving decks that aren't as tier 1 as they could be.

Usually after a Modified Rotation there's usually 6 expansions in the format correct? The only reason why it's different was due to DP-On staying in for 2 seasons already.
 
Poke Trainer J said:
RR-On should be the play. That hurts alot of SP decks while at the same time improving decks that aren't as tier 1 as they could be.

Usually after a Modified Rotation there's usually 6 expansions in the format correct? The only reason why it's different was due to DP-On staying in for 2 seasons already.
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Steve when DP- On started 2 years ago, we were left with
DP/MT/SW/GE/MD (5) and the after worlds release of LA (+1)
Now if they following RR on we have
RR/SV/AR/HGHS/UL (5) and the after worlds release of ?? (+1)

I hope you are right. I would love a new format without over powered SP engine.
 
Kayle said:
No, Cyrus is more like the spark plug. Uxie and Claydol are the keys; they're how you GET to your Cyrus. Sometimes you'll be able to hotwire that Cyrus even without Uxie and Claydol, but not very often - you have to resort to, as you said, draw trainers and supporters to make the engine get to work.
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This is not right at all... You run 4. There;s more than a 50% chance of starting with it in the starting hand, which will lead to a chain of Cyrus. Don't you realize that non-SP decks next year will have NO such engine? SP has a huge leg up with or without Uxie/Claydol.
 
yoyofsho16 said:
This is not right at all... You run 4. There;s more than a 50% chance of starting with it in the starting hand
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Of note, there is a 39.94% chance of you seeing at least 1 of a card you have 4 of in a 60 card deck in your opening hand of 7. 44.48% if you count the first card you draw.
 
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