LM Prerelease discussion (was "I pulled a react energy")

[Dek]

*woof*

'mom =/

What's that Pokemom? Timmy fell down the well again? :lol:

Anyways, just for the newblets who complain about the deck box, I did an experiment by putting my Dragtrode deck into the new deck box...

I just put my entire Dragtrode deck in there as well as took it out without a problem.

The only work you have to do to line up the cards with the box. That's it...


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Now onto the 2 boosters per person situation...

It's a Pre-release, not a chance to get as many cards as possible. If you want tons of cards, buy a box.

 

[SD PokeMom]

It's a Pre-release, not a chance to get as many cards as possible. If you want tons of cards, buy a box.

EXACTLY!

There's a complaint further up the thread by someone who states they're going to FOUR prereleases about how the new structure makes it no longer 'worth' their money: well, for the cost of four pres ($20 x 4), you could get a BOX...once the set is _released_ , of course...not two weeks early.

So what's the complaint again? 4 pres @ $20 x 8 boosters = 32 boosters + 4 deckboxes + getting the cards early + 4 afternoons of fun...vs 1 box of *36* boosters when the set is released for approximately the same cost.

Still not 'worth' it?

*woof*
'mom

 

[Flaming_Spinach]

I agree with Chucks post. Nicely written.


I used to go to pres because it was THE BEST deal on cards; but now it's turning away from that. Give us less packs, and take away from the number of EXs in the set, and what do pres become? They're suddenly not worth as much as they were before.

Unseen Forces was an awesome set to draft; there were alot of EXs, and they all had a very good trade value.

Delta Species was one of the worst sets EVER. Out of 30 packs that I got, the best card I drew was a Tyranitar-d. That kind of thing isn't really an "incentive" to come back for another in 3 months.

And now, with what we're seeing from Holon Phantom, the set is either going to have 0 EXs or 3 EXs. Now tell me, why should I go to this one? Because it's "fun"? Sorry. I'd rather just go on ebay, and buy the 4 or 5 cards I want from the set. At least that way, I can get what I need, and I don't have to worry about filling my book with a pile of crappy rares or anything.

[QUOTE='mom]To turn a profit?[/QUOTE]
It's not the ONLY reason, but it would sure be nice. If there was a set that had alot of EXs, with high trade/sell value (something like UF or FRLG), I'd make it to as many pres as possible. Let's face it, I don't have unlimited funds, I have to be careful what I spend my money on. If a set has terrible trade value, I'm not going to go because IT'S NOT WORTH MY TIME OR MONEY. If that makes me less of a person or player, so be it.



JMHO.

 

[NateDawg161992]

We were getting one ex per box there practicaly.

 

[Robbgobb]

So what's the purpose of a prerelease then? Why do you go?

To get a sneak peek at the new set before it's in the store?

To have fun at a tournament that's pretty much 'luck of the draw'?

To turn a profit?

To get 'more' than one's 'money's worth'?

To get the 'good' cards at the expense of the 'n00bs' and little kids?

*woof*
'mom

I go to pre-release events for numerous reasons.

The first is because I like the format. I have always liked that type of format. It is what I like about Magic Online is the leagues because it is luck of what you get in packs.

The second and almost as important reason is my love of opening packs. It is like opening presents. If someone told me that I could open 10 cases and not keep a single card, I would have a blast. It is so much fun to open something and not know what is there.

Third reason is seeing the new cards. I see some scans but I like seeing them and hearing what people say about them. It is nice to talk with people about them.

Forth reason is that I am limited to what I can spend on the cards. If me and my nephew get to participate in 2 pre-release events then that is special because one is normally the max. I pre-order one box of cards and that is all we get to spend on the cards.

I understand there are reasons why we are told and why things are the way they are for pre-releases. I still have the right to say that I don't need the deckbox and the 2 packs are way more valuable to me. I will listen to all sides but I know what I prefer. I stated before and will again. If I am looking for the best deal. If that means I give up the pre-releases and put the money toward pre-ordering 2 boxes then that is what I will do. I want to compete at the other events like City, State, Regional Championships and such. I know everything has to be looked at and will accept that but finding the best deal is what I have to do as well. I have already heard where some people talk about Pre-releases are getting fewer people. The one I was at yesterday did not even have much for the Theme Decks and the last two had 5 plus people playing. I am sorry if some places get so small that there is not one held in that are at all. I want to help but I have to decide on what is best for me and my nephew. I read through this thread and realize that I feel like I am one of the ones that end up slipping through the cracks because things have to be balanced.

 

[GL Mo]

I'm lucky enough to attend the events at TJ's in Milford where the TO provides very generous prize additional prize support and a free raffle for the players! Thanks Tom! As someone who never wins a tournament, I'm thrilled to get 2 extra packs and a deckbox and a Prerelease card and pin just for playing. My league kids love going to the Prereleases to get the new cards before they are available to the general public, and their parents like the fact that the kids get great stuff even if they don't win. Makes it easier to convince them to drive an hour and stay at a game store all day, because they see their kids are having a great time! Getting the new cards early is great, but spending the day having fun with the great players who play at TJ's makes the whole event worthwhile. I would hate to go back to the WOC days where players got few events and only the top players got any prizes. The prerelease structure is fun, and isn't that why we play the game?

 

[baby*j]

I used to go to pres because it was THE BEST deal on cards; but now it's turning away from that.

Word.

Sure the deck box is cute and all but I'm pretty sure everyone would rather have the additional 2 packs. 2 packs = 18 more cards = more trade bait = your deck or collection.

Everyone isn't fortunate enough to go to more than 1 prerelease or buy a box... so if you got unlucky at the prerelease then you're screwed. And who knows? 2 more packs could have helped. Maybe, maybe not, but the bottom line is:

I used to go to pres because it was THE BEST deal on cards; but now it's turning away from that.

 

[Jariel]

in our country our TO caharges us 1000 php (1$= 50-53 Philippine peso, while a booster cost 180 pesos) for pre release which will get you 6 packs and we get to win 1 booster for every win and we usually have 5 rounds so that means if youre lucky u can get 11 packs. while the judge get 6 free booster for judging.

i won a city champ and gained 3 boosters while the judge got 6 boosters oh well but that's another story.

unfortunately we didnt have pre release for Unseen Forces and i think we would not have a pre release for Legend Maker because the TO said that the orders they made were delayed in shipment.

the reason i go to pre release is because its much cheaper and its really fun especially if your lucky. and its a gud test on how good of a player/deck builder you are. I can say that even without good cards during my previous pre releases i was able to make the top cut (although i didnt come first ^^ only second place). add to the fact that you get cards earlier and you get a chance to do on the spot trading after the pre release its really fun

as for TO making a lot of profit im still trying to calculate whether thats true imagine for 1 box our TO get 6000 php and 6 players while if you try buying a box it would cost u around 4000-4500 php but im still trying to account for the boosters they give away for every win but just like what pop said i know for a fact that they earn enough to continue on helding tournaments coz if not im pretty sure they wont support/held tournaments

 

[Metal Master]

Idea: Everybody gets 6 boosters, they open their packs and they trade all the cards they want. Then all you have to do is find 5 different opponents and play against them, plus get each opponents signature an a sheet. When you have played a minimum of 5 games you can delived the sheet and pick up two new boosters (and the deck box). This way the fun element will be the focus, as well as getting to know the new cards. And cheating will be long gone, and no #1 place winner will be dissatisfied because there was no extra prize for him/her.

While that is a solution, it takes away from the competitiveness. And what about the new players? Here they come, knowing virtually no one and they have to find someone to play. If they're 10-, most of them will probably be shy.


The other thing is it takes away from the tournament aspect of it. Its an idea, but I'd be more outraged at that then the 2 less packs. XD

 

[Silver Chaos]

Merf... There's not as much competition, as there use to be, but as stated before, that's ment to promote the game. I don't like losing two packs, as it's almost a sign that the prizes will be going down hill... They took away the prizes at first, and made it so that everyone wins, in the end, giving everyone a nice four packs, but now they're only giving us two. I don't like to think about what could happen, next. I hope this is the last deduction. Please let it be so!

I wish the deck box had a bit more quality. I still can't believe they're using sprites from five or six years ago, still. I thought it was funny, back in Skyridge, and just sad when they made the GC games, utalizing CG that they just transplanted from a N64 game... You'd think they could fix them up, and make them spiffy... I'm starting to get tired of seeing Gengar in that pose... It's been done before... Why couldn't we get something beautiful? Give us a background... The Japanese deck boxes have way better art, than this. Ah, oh well. Can't do much about it.

I just hope I get the cards I need, as I can only go to one PR, this time around, as the TOs of the majority of the tournies I attend havn't set up the tournies. My cards also better fit, with the sleeves I have on them >.<

 

[Benlugia]

@daddiursa: thats how things are done at yu-gi-oh prereleases--EXACTLY how they are done. it doesn't block cheating AT ALL. people could just go in, pay, and have the sheet signed without playing games. its a REALLY bad way of doing things.

 

[Rulemaster]

Daddiursa-that is a terrible idea. What's the point? People could just take the dive so that their friend goes undefeated for sure. I guarantee if PUI tried to do that people WOULD stop coming to prereleases. CHICK CHICK

 

[Elevandar]

as a fun fact us people down under in australia are reallly lucky compared to u ppl ( in some respects) cos at our pre-releace we ge the usal 6-4 packs AND a deck box =) best of both worlds on top of this, after the pres are over we can buy a box providing they have stock another plus, however since there are less players most people can only make it to one pre, held the week b4 releace so yea we get more paks but u get more releaces (and our pacs cost more) but yea just to let u all know =)

 

[Daddiursa]

While that is a solution, it takes away from the competitiveness. And what about the new players? Here they come, knowing virtually no one and they have to find someone to play. If they're 10-, most of them will probably be shy.


The other thing is it takes away from the tournament aspect of it. Its an idea, but I'd be more outraged at that then the 2 less packs. XD

@daddiursa: thats how things are done at yu-gi-oh prereleases--EXACTLY how they are done. it doesn't block cheating AT ALL. people could just go in, pay, and have the sheet signed without playing games. its a REALLY bad way of doing things.

Daddiursa-that is a terrible idea. What's the point? People could just take the dive so that their friend goes undefeated for sure. I guarantee if PUI tried to do that people WOULD stop coming to prereleases. CHICK CHICK

Argh... Guys, will you go back and read the original post I wrote??? You'll see that the idea Metal Master posts is not how I would initially prefer to do it. I would myself prefer a tournament not with a flat prize structure, but with a few extra booters for the Top 4/Top 8.

Let me make my statements clear:
1) I have witnessed a lot of cheating myself, so therefore I do not feel the need for oversized prizes at prereleases which attracks a much higher number of new players than a regular store tornament. Those players will never go home with a 1st prize anyway, so a flat prize structure works best. And I just won two prereleases in a row, so maybe I should be all interested in big prizes, but I am not. When I see new players attending a prerelease that's when I'm happy. That's where the future of the game is. Not me getting a box of boosters.

2) All I was saying was that since it seems POP will emphasize the fun element and downplay the competition... well if they don't like my first suggestion (a few symbolic prizes to the top), then maybe a more league-oriented way of doing things would be better. I am a very competative myself, but I truly think doing things the league-way is better for the ones who are totally fresh to the game, and, as suggested in the Professor Forums, boosters could be handed out to those two are eager to learn newcomers the game and otherwise help out. So the dilemma is, who should POP pay most attention to when they decide on a structure for Prereleases? I just gave two suggestions, taking different things into consideration. If you don't like them fine, but now you know the context at least.


Thanks.

 

[Poor Trainer]

Random suggestion to try to please everybody: Make the Prereleases live up to the name of Prerelease by making it 10-12 weeks before the actual street date of the sets. If it happens to land before major tournaments (except Worlds) then let people use it in those tournaments (in the home language of the cards, which means no outside foreign cards for that specific set). It will make it harder during some of those major events, but it will increase the value of the Prereleases. There is probably some flaw in this suggestion that I don't see, but it is only a suggestion and it is random.

Using the new cards, making a deck out of the 6 packs I get and meeting up with random people are probably the main reasons I go to Prereleases.

 

[meganium45]

The flaw is that a few will hold a vast majority of the cards.

Raise your hands if you have 4 or more English Arcanine EX...

I know of 2 people right now.

Way to big of an advantage for us (I mean those people LOL)

M45

 

[Flare Starfire]

I have 4 Japanese Arcanine EX and got 1 for translation on sunday. Does that count?

 

[PokeMontoya]

My cards also better fit, with the sleeves I have on them >.<

They'll fit man. why is everyone getiing so crazy bout the deckbox for??

 

[PokeMontoya]

The flaw is that a few will hold a vast majority of the cards.

Raise your hands if you have 4 or more English Arcanine EX...

I know of 2 people right now.

Way to big of an advantage for us (I mean those people LOL)

M45

not really if you read the other threads around. RK9 is getting denounced all over the forums

 

[meganium45]

Yeah, of course it is getting denounced, but I could do that with about any EX you want to talk about.

There are a few of them (us LOL) that can get quantities rather quickly.

Denounce the canine away, I will pay $20 cash for any that anyone wants to part with!

M45