Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

The new tins were even more fail than I expected

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Sabett

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As you may or may not know for our latest tins we have tins with shiny legendary dogs on the front, and each tin comes with 2 promos. What I was expecting was, see Japan got two versions of the shiny dogs, so when I saw that each tin came with 2 promos, I thought "Oh, so it'll have the 2 different shiny dogs from Japan in them." Lo and behold many months later the tins have been released, but what do we find? The shiny dogs as featured on the front of the tins, but instead of also having the other shiny dog promo in the tins we get the whale of a fail old SW non-shiny dogs we've always had.

Honestly, if you wanted to collect these by now, and hadn't, something tells me you should collect something else.

I mean I guess it helps people note that it's shiny and the other isn't, but is that something a google search really couldn't satisfy?

We didn't even get the "good" legendary promo dogs with the extremespeed bodies, we got the ones with one whole attack. These tins have to be the most underwhelming ones by far.
 
Personally I'm glad that we got these shinies instead of the others.
These were on general release in Japan where as the others were from a very rare prize campaign.

I hate to see very rare promos devalued by releasing them insanely commonly in the US.

I kinda agree on the SW ones though, as a collector I don't mind but it might have been better to do the same thing (special holo treatment) to dogs which are in modified (if there are any, I can't think).
 
DJGigabyte said:
Personally I'm glad that we got these shinies instead of the others.
These were on general release in Japan where as the others were from a very rare prize campaign.

I hate to see very rare promos devalued by releasing them insanely commonly in the US.

I kinda agree on the SW ones though, as a collector I don't mind but it might have been better to do the same thing (special holo treatment) to dogs which are in modified (if there are any, I can't think).
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Well what about Raichu Prime? I mean how many rare cards in japan have been printed at a larger quantity already in the US? I can understand that though. At the least though, I wish it had just been advertised as one promo in each tin, instead of leaving a big vagueness with "2 special promos", and then have one of them be a rotated and underwhelming card.
 
Did the SW reprint have the Promo stamp or just the regular SW set symbol? If they have the Promo star, at least the Suicune could see play because of Water Rescue.
 
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@Sabett: I wasn't too happy about that either, and I know some others who were much more annoyed, having dropped $500+ on the JPN version.

@Waynegg: Nah, SW symbol remains intact, just with the Rotom style holo, on the picture rather than Reverse Holo style.
 
lol @ collectors. Did Umbreon and Espeon Prime drop the prices of the * versions much? Or Raichu, for that matter? Yes, nobody should have cards because you've paid a lot for them.

And wow. I was going to buy these tins but I dunno now, does anyone know which packs they come with?
 
@kwisdumb: The prices didn't fall too much, we just like cards that are rare.

It's not so much that others shouldn't have them, it's just nice to know that you have something that others don't.
 
@Raikou: Oh, so not too bad then. I suppose it'd be worth it.

@Dan: Yeah, I can understand the frustration a bit, I just don't like the mentality, but then again we're thinking of the game/cards in completely different terms. Didn't mean to upset anyone haha.
 
Okay, I'm taking what I've heard from friends in the US for this post, so it may not be 100% dead on the numbers.

Booster packs are $3.79 MSRP, can be anywhere from $3.25 - $4.00.
Tins I think are $12.99 MSRP, can be like $11 - $13.

Now let's assume the boosters cost the lowest possible $3.25. This means that 4 boosters cost $13.

Now a tin can be between $11 and $13.

Now minus the cost of the boosters.

The value of the tin and the 2 promos is anywhere between $-2 and $0.

Worst case senario, you are getting these for free.
Best case senario, you are effectivly being paid $2 to take them (or more if packs cost more in your area).

Now, you may not immediatly see the benefits of this free stuff, saying things such as, why couldn't we have better tin promos (imagine if they took away tins, no free stuff AT ALL). Now you have this terrible hardship of owning these promos which may make you ill to look at or may strangle your pets in the night, or whatever it is you have against them.

You know what to do? eBay them. Selling both promos can probably pull in at least $5. So now worst case senario you now paid $6-8 for 4 boosters. Not bad IMO.

So next time you complain about how abd the things are which you get FOR FREE, just imagine if they took tins away completely. No promos at all and full price booster.

/discussion
 
DJGigabyte said:
Okay, I'm taking what I've heard from friends in the US for this post, so it may not be 100% dead on the numbers.

Booster packs are $3.79 MSRP, can be anywhere from $3.25 - $4.00.
Tins I think are $12.99 MSRP, can be like $11 - $13.

Now let's assume the boosters cost the lowest possible $3.25. This means that 4 boosters cost $13.

Now a tin can be between $11 and $13.

Now minus the cost of the boosters.

The value of the tin and the 2 promos is anywhere between $-2 and $0.

Worst case senario, you are getting these for free.
Best case senario, you are effectivly being paid $2 to take them (or more if packs cost more in your area).

Now, you may not immediatly see the benefits of this free stuff, saying things such as, why couldn't we have better tin promos (imagine if they took away tins, no free stuff AT ALL). Now you have this terrible hardship of owning these promos which may make you ill to look at or may strangle your pets in the night, or whatever it is you have against them.

You know what to do? eBay them. Selling both promos can probably pull in at least $5. So now worst case senario you now paid $6-8 for 4 boosters. Not bad IMO.

So next time you complain about how abd the things are which you get FOR FREE, just imagine if they took tins away completely. No promos at all and full price booster.

/discussion
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Garchomp C LV X tins were 8 dollars once on T&T...I stocked up on 5 of them, amazing deal. $40 for 20 packs and 5 of the most widely played LV X in the format. Plus 5 awesome looking tins I can use as free prizes.
 
The promos are lame, and the reprints are even lamer.

But, you do seem to save a dollar or two (if the tins are $12.99) so it may be worth it. If the tins are any more expensive, I'd rather just buy individual packs of sets of my choosing.
 
DJ got those numbers from me, so I can only vouch that those are the prices in my area.

But yeah, when you look at it that way, it's a good deal. Especially considering Platinum and HGSS are great sets, and Arceus has a few playable cards as well. Undaunted is eeeh but you can't win 'em all.
 
Okay.
I'm just going to come out and say it, one of the biggest industry secrets.
So brace yourselves, hold onto your seats and take you heart medication because here it comes.

Not every card is marketed at players!!!

Sure, us collectors may not be as big in number as the players, and we generally aren't as public (unless like me, we play a bit on the side). But we are still a valuable part of the community, and some cards are marketed more towards us.

I'll admit, if these tins had come with just the reprints I wouldn't be too happy, but the fact is we also get a very nice looking shiny Pokemon.

Let's see what would happen if we took away Player's and Collector's and see how they survive without each other.

There are no player's, therefore no tournaments and no tournament promos.
The collector's still buy sets, and promo cards. Getting all cards is easier because of the lack of Worlds cards.
Some collectors will become disheartened if cards are too easy to get however. Eventually releases would decline and the cards would stop being produced.

Now, there are no collectors. Cards which aren't tournament playable are near worthless.
Players may buy the occassional box to get tournament cards, but most will attempt to buy singles as they cannot sell the stuff that they don't need (as no collectors are around to want it).
Also, now image the Worlds winners, with no collectors around the value of their Number 1 Trainer and Tropical Wind/Tidal Waves falls from close to $10,000 to next to nothing.
Because of the relative worthlessness of cards and tournament prizes, less people will play, causing tournament numbers to drop, even less product to be sold, and so on in a downward spiral until the game isn't financially viable to produce.

So remember, players and collectors both need to exist for the game to continue as well as it is.

Now next time you see a promo with sub-par attacks, remember that.
Don't immediatly slam the fact that tins don't have Luxray and Uxie X's or that the new blister promo isn't going to be the next Toxicroak.
Because some of us still think these cards are awesome, in artwork or whatever.
 
I understood the whole collector marketing ploy behind it, but I thought at the sacrifice of the primes being given a promo for players/collectors they would at least make it a bit more interesting than a single exclusive investment.

Your math on boosters and tins are misleading, you're completely ignoring box prices. Getting 2 dollars from a 11-13 invesment is negligible at best. To get at least 10 dolllars you'd have to spend well over 100, where with packs you can easily find a box online for about 80-85 if you're going to make that sort of investment. I mean if you're only buying a small amount of packs, I guess it's worth it.

Also, the market is mainly collectors, that's very apparent with the lack of development in OP (no offense to higher ups), no important draft tournaments, absolutely no supported unlimited tournaments. That alone should make it obvious there aren't such a large amount of players, another factor is that we don't have a base set, which would be next to useless for collectors, but essential for players. So I understand making tins for collectors, but I didn't expect it to be so underwhelming.
 
As a collector, I like the new tins. I didn't know that there would be two promos, so instead of getting angry it feels more like a cool bonus.

Besides, if you don't like them, just don't buy them. ;)
 
Sabett said:
I thought at the sacrifice of the primes being given a promo for players/collectors they would at least make it a bit more interesting than a single exclusive investment.
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It's still actually 2 exclusives. You couldn't get those exact cards in SW; they're only available in the tins.
 
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