David's Confused Pokedad
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Since the first Native Americans here did not speak english shouldn't we speak what they did?
This is America Dangit! Speak English!
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Vegeta ss4
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lol Native Americans....
haha, Casinos
haha, Casinos
vaporeon
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This is America, the Land of the Free. People come here to live the American Dream and have a better life. Because America was not our land and belong to the Native Americans, we as people have no right to set a language that people here come to speak. Yeah it helps that they know how to speak ENGLISH and not AMERICAN because when you say American, there are MANY Americans of different races but if they come here to learn our ways a the life styles we have, we should be more then welcome to try and learn their way with open arm. America is a open nation and welcomed to everyone but we don't want to take the time to learn a second or third language and learn their ways? I really hope this is a troll topic because I am tired of seeing racist topics and threads on the gym. THIS IS AMERICA AND PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD LIVE HERE! DEAL WITH IT!
yoyofsho16
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There is a national language. In order to become a citizen, you have to be able to speak English fluently. You can't force a language on somebody with a green card, that is ridiculous. They could be an indefinate resident only staying there for a year or so. Why should they have to learn an entirely new language so they could spend a year in America? It's nonsensical.
Vegeta ss4
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Americas population has gone down by 23%
*GASP!!!!!!!!!*
oh yes, nothing says land of the free and american dream like paying an ungodly amount of taxes, high gas prices, mortgage problems, economy problems, corrupt leaders, and getting shot at a block down the street. Yep, welcome to America....get in line:thumb:
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DarthPika
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Personally I HATE seeing all the signs in english and spanish at all the stores. I am in AMERICA NOT MEXICO OR SPAIN!!!! I noticed most other countries don't offer everything in two languages.
If you come to a country and intend to live there, PLEASE LEARN THE LANGUAGE. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong when the person living in a country has to learn a second language because of someone who speaks another language moving here. I have nothing against spanish speaking people, but I would like it if they would at lest try and learn english.
If you come to a country and intend to live there, PLEASE LEARN THE LANGUAGE. Something is SERIOUSLY wrong when the person living in a country has to learn a second language because of someone who speaks another language moving here. I have nothing against spanish speaking people, but I would like it if they would at lest try and learn english.
Mew*
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Here's a good joke I heard one time:
What do you call a person that speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call a person that speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call a person that speaks one language? Uhh.... I don't know. Well, the answer is... American.
Hey, it's pretty true.
I think that we as American's should have to learn at least a second language. It's only fair right? If we expect them to learn our language we should learn their language. I know I am working hard to learn Spanish.
What do you call a person that speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call a person that speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call a person that speaks one language? Uhh.... I don't know. Well, the answer is... American.
Hey, it's pretty true.
I think that we as American's should have to learn at least a second language. It's only fair right? If we expect them to learn our language we should learn their language. I know I am working hard to learn Spanish.
DarthPika
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I'm not being racist, I just ask that if someone moves here that they learn the language of the country. I'm sick and tired of having trouble even at the local stores, getting through what I need to ask, because the clerk speaks two words of English. Very often I hear more Spanish then English, and considering that I live in America, this is somewhat irritating. The fact that almost EVERYTHING is in English and Spanish is getting stupid as the US is NOT a bilingual country. At the rate its going we probably will start to hear every thing announced in English and Spanish to...:nonono:
I'm not being racist, I just ask that if someone moves here that they learn the language of the country. I'm sick and tired of having trouble even at the local stores, getting through what I need to ask, because the clerk speaks two words of English. Very often I hear more Spanish then English, and considering that I live in America, this is somewhat irritating. The fact that almost EVERYTHING is in English and Spanish is getting stupid as the US is NOT a bilingual country. At the rate its going we probably will start to hear every thing announced in English and Spanish to...:nonono:
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Articjedi
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I'm going to assume that most of those European countries do have offical languages. I guess that won't change the supermarkets either. And most of signs I've seen in other countries list signs in English anyway for the American tourists. Maybe they should just let us bump around their countries instead, it's not like Americans really know another language.
Sorry that those brown skinned people need to read spanish so they can make it through the store, we should just deport all of them, along with all the yellow skinned people. Let's just keep this country white in general.
I'm going to assume that most of those European countries do have offical languages. I guess that won't change the supermarkets either. And most of signs I've seen in other countries list signs in English anyway for the American tourists. Maybe they should just let us bump around their countries instead, it's not like Americans really know another language.
Sorry that those brown skinned people need to read spanish so they can make it through the store, we should just deport all of them, along with all the yellow skinned people. Let's just keep this country white in general.
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DarthPika
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And why is it fair that we should have to learn their language if they are the ones moving here?
Black Mamba
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Multiple languages. MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. There are billboards in Southern California with ONLY Spanish on them. And you know what? I, for one, have been to multiple European countries, and if I was in a country that had a different NATIONAL LANGUAGE from my own and I saw a billboard with only English on it, I wouldn't think that was right either!
I'm not even going to start on you... :nonono:
Multiple languages. MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. There are billboards in Southern California with ONLY Spanish on them. And you know what? I, for one, have been to multiple European countries, and if I was in a country that had a different NATIONAL LANGUAGE from my own and I saw a billboard with only English on it, I wouldn't think that was right either!
I'm not even going to start on you... :nonono:
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Articjedi
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So I guess you agree with that assumption, sorry but this country is changing. I guess you have to define to me what's American. I guess if it means dumping my culture and the thousands of years behind it so I can "conform" to yours, it would work. Thing is, why do I have to? Because I live here? I was born in Washington, but said my first words in Chinese long before I started saying them in English. So all of a sudden, I'm not American? Screw that idea.
I thought this was a country where I had the independence to learn what I wanted when I wanted. All this talk of forcing people to be american is unamerican.
I thought this was a country where I had the independence to learn what I wanted when I wanted. All this talk of forcing people to be american is unamerican.
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Crosplat
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I come from a family of immigrants (Lebanese, Romanian, Italian, French, Spanish) and EVERYBODY in my family learned to speak fluent English because they wanted to integrate. If you live in a country in which the majority of the population speaks English, and in which all economic and political matters are discussed in English you should learn English. It is the only way to be able to get a job that is above minimum wage.
Black Mamba
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Why is learning a country's national language "dumping your culture and the thousands of years behind it"? As I already said in this very thread, I have absolutely no problem with speaking another language at home, with people they know, things like that. I have problems with things like signs being only in another language, and maybe to a lesser extent, what Phazon was talking about in his post. If you lived in France, shouldn't you be expected to know French? If you lived in Japan, shouldn't you be expected to know Japanese? If you lived in Mexico, shouldn't you be expected to know Spanish? You having the tone of this being an issue that "white Americans" have is more racist than anything I've said.
DarthPika
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You summed up exactly what I think about this.
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I never said that anyone should just dump their culture. I just said that there shouldn't be advertisements and such in other languages. All I ask is that the people who move here don't expect us to accomadate them by having to learn THEIR language and make all our signs in their language, because they don't want to spend the time to learn English.
I am not being racist, I just think that when someone moves to a country they shouldn't expect everyone to change just for them.
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Articjedi
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The fact that you have enough against these people that you want them to change their language is already racist enough. I don't need more than that to support my assertions. Your nationalist views on this are getting dangerously close to what the Nazis wanted to define as German. I'm not the racist here, I'm just the reality check.
This country, this world is changing, and it's obviously changing at a pace that neither of you are used to. It's a real shame, because as long as you live in this country now, you're the ones that are going to need to change. As long as the economic conditions support having people who happen to have a primary language other than English, and they're probably citizens, too, you're going to have to deal with them. So you can go ahead and try to force this country to conform to your beliefs, or you can just go with the flow and tolerate it. People like you make this country worse off because of that type of thinking.
This country, this world is changing, and it's obviously changing at a pace that neither of you are used to. It's a real shame, because as long as you live in this country now, you're the ones that are going to need to change. As long as the economic conditions support having people who happen to have a primary language other than English, and they're probably citizens, too, you're going to have to deal with them. So you can go ahead and try to force this country to conform to your beliefs, or you can just go with the flow and tolerate it. People like you make this country worse off because of that type of thinking.
ryanvergel
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I don't see where Darth is being racist. He is pretty much agreeing with a few of us who think that going out of the way to put up a foreign language sign or something, or spending money to make all files and forms and documents available in multiple languages, etc. is favoring these minority groups when they need to embrace a new culture. English may not be our national language, but about 82% percent of our 18+ population speak only english, and only about 5% of our 18+ population speaks english "not well" or "not at all". That means 95% of our population can speak english "well" or "very well" and a huge portion of the population being native speakers or fluent. Why should the government have to spend additional funds (sometimes doubling labor or materials) just to appeal to a small fraction of the population? This is a culture dominated by English where almost everyone can speak it. If the government has to spend more tax money to go through every IRS file and make the documents able to be submitted through multiple languages and be called up through multiple languages, and have people have to translate in small offices and districts. No way. It's too much money for how few people are being served- the money would be better off elsewhere IMO. It's unfair to spend the money on such a small population. Maybe you're racist for favoring a racial group who cannot speak English over the general population of English speakers for no real reason. Why should I have to spend money on people unable to adapt to a new society and country so obviously dominated by English? That's not my fault or problem. The opportunity to compete with me is good enough for immigrants. They can fill out the files in our language: English.
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LegacyEeveeVGC
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Like I was told at school.
Oneday you will need spanish to talk with a guy at walmart who does not know English in the future...
My reply, "If he wants to work here in the USA then he needs to speak English and not the other way around!"
If we tried to push our way of life on other people in there countries you would chances get thrown out or shot.
We do not need to cater to everybody that comes to the USA who says okay this is how we do it back there so you must do it here.
P.S. I am not racist.
Oneday you will need spanish to talk with a guy at walmart who does not know English in the future...
My reply, "If he wants to work here in the USA then he needs to speak English and not the other way around!"
If we tried to push our way of life on other people in there countries you would chances get thrown out or shot.
We do not need to cater to everybody that comes to the USA who says okay this is how we do it back there so you must do it here.
P.S. I am not racist.