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This is America Dangit! Speak English!

Articjedi said:
The fact that you have enough against these people that you want them to change their language is already racist enough. I don't need more than that to support my assertions. Your nationalist views on this are getting dangerously close to what the Nazis wanted to define as German. I'm not the racist here, I'm just the reality check.
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Again, I don't really understand your notion of changing peoples languages. You act as if by learning English, people are forgetting their original language and disowning their culture. Is it so much to ask of someone if they want to move to a country (not only America!) and want to enjoy all the benefits/freedoms of the people who live there to simply learn the language in which business is done?
 
I'm going to cool off for a couple seconds, because I know I'm getting out of hand. First I'm going to apologize for the more angry remarks, they're not needed, and I don't need to keep them out there. These discussions shouldn't be divisive, and that's where I seem to be going.

Ryan, I'll agree with you about the government forms, but if someone makes more money putting up a sign in spanish, let them. That's really their choice. Why there should be a rule against that is beyond me.

I'm saying that they shouldn't need to learn English if they don't choose too. And believe it or not, by learning english they eventually disown their culture out of necessity, if it's not them, it's their kids. People deserve to preserve that part of them that makes them unique, especially if that's what they choose. They shouldn't be forced to learn a different language if they don't want to, as I said it's really their choice.
 
Articjedi said:
I'm going to cool off for a couple seconds, because I know I'm getting out of hand. First I'm going to apologize for the more angry remarks, they're not needed, and I don't need to keep them out there. These discussions shouldn't be divisive, and that's where I seem to be going.

Ryan, I'll agree with you about the government forms, but if someone makes more money putting up a sign in spanish, let them. That's really their choice. Why there should be a rule against that is beyond me.
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Thaaaat WOULD be dumb. If you can put a few extra specks of ink on paper and increase sales then rock and roll. I definitely don't think there should be a rule to NOT have a different language, I just don't know if we should always have a rule that you MUST have a different language, you know? I mean, printing medical information or something in spanish is just practical, etc. But not making government forms and such.
 
Yah, but being somehow offended because the signs in a store are in spanish? Honestly, so what? Just shop in a different store, if they lose business because you didn't shop there, that's their problem. The guys who care enough to learn English are going to learn it, the ones that don't see a necessity won't.
 
Jran Sakarra said:
Like I was told at school.
Oneday you will need spanish to talk with a guy at walmart who does not know English in the future...

My reply, "If he wants to work here in the USA then he needs to speak English and not the other way around!"

If we tried to push our way of life on other people in there countries you would chances get thrown out or shot.
We do not need to cater to everybody that comes to the USA who says okay this is how we do it back there so you must do it here.

P.S. I am not racist.
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I agree with you on that 100%. It is the non native speakers that need to learn the native language of the country, not the other way around.

Articjedi said:
I'm going to cool off for a couple seconds, because I know I'm getting out of hand. First I'm going to apologize for the more angry remarks, they're not needed, and I don't need to keep them out there. These discussions shouldn't be divisive, and that's where I seem to be going.

Ryan, I'll agree with you about the government forms, but if someone makes more money putting up a sign in spanish, let them. That's really their choice. Why there should be a rule against that is beyond me.

I'm saying that they shouldn't need to learn English if they don't choose too. And believe it or not, by learning english they eventually disown their culture out of necessity, if it's not them, it's their kids. People deserve to preserve that part of them that makes them unique, especially if that's what they choose. They shouldn't be forced to learn a different language if they don't want to, as I said it's really their choice.
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Apology accepted.

My only point is, if YOU were to move to a country and become a resident of it, you should learn the language. If you don't its only a huge handicap on you, and no one will want to hire you due to you not being able to comunicate with anyone.

Maybe where you live you don't see a lot of this, but where I live I see almost EVERY THING in English and Spanish. This doesn't do anything to help Spanish speaking people learn English, and only cost the government more money.

Articjedi said:
Yah, but being somehow offended because the signs in a store are in spanish? Honestly, so what? Just shop in a different store, if they lose business because you didn't shop there, that's their problem. The guys who care enough to learn English are going to learn it, the ones that don't see a necessity won't.
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Once again, when almost every where you look has something written in Spanish to, it gets a little annoying. What about all the other imigrants that move here. I guess we should make sure that all our signs have stuff for them to. Its even getting to the point where special only Spanish services are being offered. Seriously you could probably live here and never even learn English due to all the Spanish there is now. The problem I have with that, is when I go to the store and I need to talk to the guy who is to lazy to learn English, it will be very difficult to explain anything to him, and I probably won't get what I needed.

I can understand the people that just move here, and are still learning English, but when I see the same chashier for 2 years and STILL need to tell him 5 times that I wanted a Burger and Large Fries NOT a small sallade and Coke, that is when I start to get mad.
 
IMO if you're going to live in America at least have the common courtesy to learn to speak English! I'm not saying you need to be fluent ,but at least learn enough to communicate with the people around you. If you went to live in Japan or Russia you'd learn to speak that langauge right? And before anyone says I'm being racist, I'm not I'm just saying that if I was from another country I would learn to speak the langauge of said country.
 
Please, it's United State Of America. America is the continent. Just a little somerhing that got on my nerves while reading this topic.
 
At least 75-80% of the Mexican families who come through my line use food stamps and/or WIC (Women Infants and Children, a program which provides government checks for certain, nutrient-rich foods). Most of these people, naturally, do not know English (a fact I know because I can say "No habla English?" with a very good accent).

It's SO common. It's like they don't think that learning English will get them anything more. Maybe they're right.

And because common sense is so rare that it's a super power, I'm not racist, you nitwits. Go back to my last post in this thread for proof.
 
Mew* said:
What do you call a person that speaks three languages? Trilingual.
What do you call a person that speaks two languages? Bilingual.
What do you call a person that speaks one language? Uhh.... I don't know. Well, the answer is... American.
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The word is actually monolingual.

Judging by how well some people that I know speak and write in English, I would definitely say that it is better to know one language WELL than to have mediocre fluency in two languages.
 
Lets do it this way. Pretend your house is now a rediculously small country. Now pretend you have only spoken language x for your whole life. And then some people rent a room in your house, and some others sneak in through the window. They dont know how to speak language x, they only speak language y. Should you learn language y or should they learn language x?
 
That was bugging me too but I think we're just paying too much attention to detail. A lot of AMERICA has spanish as its first language, this topic is about the USA. Different thing entirely.

Eh I dont think anyone should be forced to do anything. If this is really about signs then whatever.
 
I was going to post a link to one of my favorite comics on xkcd.com that just happens to be about this subject, but it has profanity on it so I will just transcribe it here with proper editing.

A group of people are standing around.

Man: English should be the national language. These immigrants should have to learn English when they come here.

Woman 1: Yeah!

Man: When you go to live somewhere, you learn the language they speak there. English is the language of the land.

Woman 2: Excuse me, but osio Sarah dawado.

Man: What the (edited) was that?

Woman 2: Cherokee.
 
The Fish King said:
I was going to post a link to one of my favorite comics on xkcd.com that just happens to be about this subject, but it has profanity on it so I will just transcribe it here with proper editing.

A group of people are standing around.

Man: English should be the national language. These immigrants should have to learn English when they come here.

Woman 1: Yeah!

Man: When you go to live somewhere, you learn the language they speak there. English is the language of the land.

Woman 2: Excuse me, but osio Sarah dawado.

Man: What the (edited) was that?

Woman 2: Cherokee.
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And when Hispanics have enough military might to take over this country by force we will all speak Spanish. In the mean time, considering how we got this country through trickery, backstabbing, and murder, it is OUR country, and since most of OUR citizens speak English, English should be the national language. Anyone who says otherwise can ride the WAAAAAAAMbulance to the Hopsicle.
 
The Fish King said:
I was going to post a link to one of my favorite comics on xkcd.com that just happens to be about this subject, but it has profanity on it so I will just transcribe it here with proper editing.

A group of people are standing around.

Man: English should be the national language. These immigrants should have to learn English when they come here.

Woman 1: Yeah!

Man: When you go to live somewhere, you learn the language they speak there. English is the language of the land.

Woman 2: Excuse me, but osio Sarah dawado.

Man: What the (edited) was that?

Woman 2: Cherokee.
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So does this mean you think Israelis should speak Arabic? I really am curious about your response.
 
The Fish King said:
I was going to post a link to one of my favorite comics on xkcd.com that just happens to be about this subject, but it has profanity on it so I will just transcribe it here with proper editing.

A group of people are standing around.

Man: English should be the national language. These immigrants should have to learn English when they come here.

Woman 1: Yeah!

Man: When you go to live somewhere, you learn the language they speak there. English is the language of the land.

Woman 2: Excuse me, but osio Sarah dawado.

Man: What the (edited) was that?

Woman 2: Cherokee.
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Heck, if that's what you want, why not go a step further and say we should all communicate by banging rocks together and howling, just like we used to do before all this evil, barbaric progression
 
Wow, you folks have applied this topic to all sorts of immigration-specific stuff I hadn't considered in making the original post. I was more interested in looking at how US English differs from UK English and how a couple centuries down the line we don't have a "national language." Certainly English wasn't made the official language in the United States for many years due to political reasons. English is the worldwide linguistic common denominator thanks to its financial and political leveraging power. Would we benefit practically by declaring a national language, and can we at this point call that tongue English?
Gabrieeeel said:
Please, it's United State Of America. America is the continent. Just a little somerhing that got on my nerves while reading this topic.
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OK -- So maybe Americanish isn't politically adequate or appropriate for describing the language spoken here in the good ole' U-S of America. Would USlish (pronounced "use-lish") be more terminologically accurate?
 
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