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This is America Dangit! Speak English!

When my immigrant great-grandfather left Europe to come to America, the first thing he bought here was an English-Slavik dictionary. He used that to learn English. He worked in the coal mines of Pennsylvania. He left his own country to come here for 'a better life' as the story goes. Yeh, a better life working in the mines.
We don't have an official language here in the U.S.A. It's a large country and our northern neighbors speak English too, hence Americans speak English. Living in a southern border state you hear Spanish since you're so close to our Spanish-speaking neighbors. No one is asking anyone to give up their culture. Me--I'm just American, but I do have immigrant ancestors from all over Europe. If you come here wanting to live in America and be American, you must learn to speak English. That just makes it easy on yourself. But no one, NO ONE, is asking anyone to give up their culture and their identity or to ONLY speak English.
 
When my immigrant great-grandfather left Europe to come to America, the first thing he bought here was an English-Slavik dictionary. He used that to learn English. He worked in the coal mines of Pennsylvania. He left his own country to come here for 'a better life' as the story goes. Yeh, a better life working in the mines.
We don't have an official language here in the U.S.A. It's a large country and our northern neighbors speak English too, hence Americans speak English. Living in a southern border state you hear Spanish since you're so close to our Spanish-speaking neighbors. No one is asking anyone to give up their culture. Me--I'm just American, but I do have immigrant ancestors from all over Europe. If you come here wanting to live in America and be American, you must learn to speak English. That just makes it easy on yourself. But no one, NO ONE, is asking anyone to give up their culture and their identity or to ONLY speak English.

But thats the problem. Half the people that move here are to lazy to bother to learn the language.
 
Let me see now...

One line of reasoning presented here is that if you move to a country, you shouldn't have to learn how to function there, but that said country should conform to your standard of living? Wow, so all those people mad at US tourists for speaking loudly at the locals who don't speak English are racists?

Yeah, didn't think that made sense. I mean, if it were true, all we US Citizens need to do is spread ourselves out all over the world, and if the world wanted to avoid being racists, they'd have to conform to our language!

Glad that wasn't my idea.

Moving on... this isn't an issue of race. It is an issue of culture. Did you know that genetically speaking, race is pretty much meaningless? The genetic differences between people due to "race" are a fraction of the differences between any two people of the same racial group!

Language is not a function of genetics. it is a matter of culture. If anything, real racists should want those of different "races" that move into their home country to remain ignorant of the primary language. Granted, its probably something of an intelligence gap: the intelligent aren't going to fess up and the stupid won't realize how it benefits them.

After all, what are U.S. laws written in? English with fun Latin phrases, right? So if tu no hablas ingles and you don't read it either, then you have to take someone else's word for it? Oh, I don't just mean the cop on the beat. I mean laws in general. That senator, that congressmen, that judge? You have to hope that whoever is translating is doing it right! And my apologizes to Spanish speakers since I probably butchered what little I used a few sentences ago.

A bit off topic, but since so many people like to bring it up...

The entire U.S. wasn't "stolen" from the different indigenous people groups. Some of it? Yes, I am afraid so. However, large tracts of it were purchased. New York Island was purchased from the people inhabiting it. Alaska was boughten from the Russians. The Louisiana Purchase, the area between the Mississippi and the Missouri Rivers (if memory serves), was purchased from the French. Texas won its freedom from Mexico, and later joined the USA. Those aren't the original owners, but they are who we got it from. What about the tribes before them?

Well, what about the tribes before the tribes? The indingenous people groups were... people! What happened in Europe? Tribes fought other tribes for land! It happened in what would later become the Americas as well. How far back do we have to go to find the "real" owners?

Also, in many cases, native people groups retained hunting and fishing rights. Obviously such rights were lost, but I am not trying to say that they weren't. I am not saying atrocities never happened to them. I am saying that you need to look for the specific people, and not be so general.

Ugh, late enough for me already, and I've barely scratched the surface.

First, I heartily recommend The Politically Incorrect Guide to American History. It tends to cover those things the public school system glossed over or intentionally misrepresented.

Second "American English" as the form of English spoken in the USA is often referred to, as well as all language in general, should be concerned with how little it is often actually known, even by native speakers. I graduated from college and I still don't know really when to use "who" and when to use "whom". The reason this matters is that written language is how our history and our laws are passed on. That is why so many squabbles happen today. People look at something, read it, and try to use modern definitions for things written long ago.

Thank you, and goodnight Pokegym.
 
@V For Vendetta, Crosplat, and Phazon Elite.

It was a joke. Obviously you cannot tell a joke even in a comic. You guys take me too seriously. My real opinion is that anybody can speak whatever language they want. Let them deal with the consequences, good or bad, that come from it. It is not my place to tell people what to do nor will complaining about things I have no control over help or change anything.
 
@V For Vendetta, Crosplat, and Phazon Elite.

It was a joke. Obviously you cannot tell a joke even in a comic. You guys take me too seriously. My real opinion is that anybody can speak whatever language they want. Let them deal with the consequences, good or bad, that come from it. It is not my place to tell people what to do nor will complaining about things I have no control over help or change anything.

IDC whether it was a joke, I get a lot of enjoyment shooting down stupidity.
The fact that you didn't mean it means nothing, I had fun shooting it down ^_^
 
It wasn't "stupid" to shoot down. It was a joke, playing on the idea of the language of the land, and if the language of the land is "what is currently in use by the most inhabitants" and if the argument is that a newcomer to a land should adopt the language of the people inhabiting, then English never should have been the language we used when here.

English should have never gotten a foothold at all if we really believed in the idea of adhering to the culture of current inhabitants and using that language while in their land.
 
It wasn't "stupid" to shoot down. It was a joke, playing on the idea of the language of the land, and if the language of the land is "what is currently in use by the most inhabitants" and if the argument is that a newcomer to a land should adopt the language of the people inhabiting, then English never should have been the language we used when here.

English should have never gotten a foothold at all if we really believed in the idea of adhering to the culture of current inhabitants and using that language while in their land.

As I said here...

And when Hispanics have enough military might to take over this country by force we will all speak Spanish. In the mean time, considering how we got this country through trickery, backstabbing, and murder, it is OUR country, and since most of OUR citizens speak English, English should be the national language. Anyone who says otherwise can ride the WAAAAAAAMbulance to the Hopsicle.

Might is right. We defeated the Native Americans, thus our culture and language took over.
English is the dominant language, and no Hispanic nation has yet defeated us and taken our country over. Thus English reigns supreme.
 
yes the mightof the culture. Can you agree that the white culture is a bigger, more dominant culture here than *insert really small country*'s culture here? so teh white culture is stronger, and a synonym for stronger is mightier. He didn't mean like militarily mightier.
 
yes the mightof the culture. Can you agree that the white culture is a bigger, more dominant culture here than *insert really small country*'s culture here? so teh white culture is stronger, and a synonym for stronger is mightier. He didn't mean like militarily mightier.

Pretty much.

Stronger culture, stronger economy, stronger beliefs, ect. Might isn't just found in fighting, infact the strongest people never even need to raise their fists to win a fight.
 
@V For Vendetta, Crosplat, and Phazon Elite.

It was a joke. Obviously you cannot tell a joke even in a comic. You guys take me too seriously. My real opinion is that anybody can speak whatever language they want. Let them deal with the consequences, good or bad, that come from it. It is not my place to tell people what to do nor will complaining about things I have no control over help or change anything.

I knew that, and I responded in kind. lol
 
English should have never gotten a foothold at all if we really believed in the idea of adhering to the culture of current inhabitants and using that language while in their land.

Hmmm, but there was no written language here. The English brought a written language.
 
" Originally Posted by SD PokéMom View Post
what language is 'american'?

'mom"

Good point... American can be central American, North American, South American....
but I think it all comes down to Amerigo Vespucci who was named after America.
So his language is American I guess...... but if he's Spanish this would be very ironic......
 
This is America Dangit! Speak English!


Doesn't it seem ironic that some of us, as Americans, talk down to our expat brethren from below and above, left and right, just for being unable to communicate in our national tongue, English?

We are a nation of immigrants. So my question is -- does anyone think US federal and state governments should provide all legal documents in any and every language requested? Or, should we shun history in the interest of American nationalism, and make Americanish the official language of the United States? Let's face it -- we ex-Brit colonies have really diverted from a lot of the everyday UK dialect. I was watching an episode of "Monarch of the Glen" for the first time in a while earlier, and MAN was that Scottish accent difficult to decode! USers and foreign nationals discuss.

You don't use the British language so much as trash it.
You've watered it down so much I'd rather you had Americanish, just so we can go "Thank Christ they don't pretend to speak English anymore".
We didn't ask you to steal our language.

However, NOONE can truly understand a Scottish accent, and I'm scottish descent ;-)
 
Why is it that topics like these, that would be open and shut on any other forum, last 75+ posts here?

And no, I think that in an area where there is a high concentration of people who only work in USA for a year or so should have government forms and certain signs be bilingual. It's not fair to force someone to learn a new language just to get a decent job. Even if McDonald's doesn't actually qualify as a decent job, the menus could be translated so that you can just point or give a number in Spanish (You can do that, can't you? It's easy enough to get 1-10) and they can get your order. It's not a big deal.
 
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