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WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!

I thoght I'd bring this up. gallade has been affected by a role both nights and some people thoght he was somewhat suspicious on day one, but after the events of night 1 he seems to have gotten off the hook without explaing himself.Also, elite 4 allen was a lynch candidate yesterday so he is also a potetial lynch.

Please believe me when I say this, I dont know any better than you what happened both nights. Im assuming I was targeted by Jason in some way because I was burned. And if you go back lots o's pages, I explain myself very well, as people just didn't like my playing style. I learned from my mistakes, so let's move on.
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I don't like the looks of this...

When people are called out into the spotlight, they are typically angry ("How dare you accuse ME of being a wolf"). Those that are guilty are obviously lying in a sense and it is difficult to remain angry for long as it is difficult to fake. Innocents typically have an easier time remaining angry about being called out. Z-man does not seem very innocent based on his posts tones...I think hes more likely to be an indie based on his role description... Just a thought.
 
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gallade: Answer: Because no one loves you enough. Not even Jesus...

z-man: I very much agree with you here: Why should you respond to Napoleon's baseless claim for you to spill info on your role. Also, I enjoy pie as the cake is a lie.

Lil_Magma: Srsly, WTHeck? Nothing for three days and then we get THIS gem of a 17 post? Since we are in Day 3 I'd like to start playing the game. But this behavior at this stage of the game is night upon unacceptable...

DragonClyne: I am almost positive from reading the way these two roles have been used that black armour is Darth Pikachu and blue armour is one of the Fett's (either Jango or Boba, unsure but leaning Jango). This easily solves two and possibly three roles floating in the game. Waynegg corroborate's this thought in 935.

Redados: Please don't take this the wrong way, but your playstyle will keep you in this game for a VERY long time. It's not stellar and, while improving, isn't near on a level that will benefit the town. I am intrigued as to what evidence from the Night 1 post you are using to draw the conclusion that Diaz was targetted directly and not reflection killed. I will be glancing at that update to see what info I can find as well. It could be we have a Vig or other killing roll in the game. reflection roles have existed in MANY games, but they usually only work a percentage of the time (I know I've used Starmie this way before). So don't discount this, although t is a common Wolf ploy.

dave628: Of your analysis, I say take Draggy15, TFP, and LucaEX off your analysis list. Luca is a Mod as has MANY other things to do, TFP is in college (as per your post) and is also QUITE a good player, and Dragonite has actually made some decent posts. Lil_Magma isn't playing or, at the very least, not playing well and Kezzup is barely here at all. If we decide not to vote today based on scumminess, these two are my top targets for their apparent inactivity.

Elite 4 Allen: The problem with your posting is it is circular and illogical. Allow me to break down your last psot to see why people feel it to be near useless Babblefish translation.

...My analysis in italics...

Yeah [Lil_Magma's] not posting isn't really helping, and i'm in no way defending him, but we should wait a while to see if we can find a better target and get time to analyze what happened during the night.

and where is your analysis of what happened during the night. There's none in this post other than a ref to NIght 1, the previous night, which has already been discussed and shouldn't need brought up again this early in Day 3.

Baby Mario was not a wolf, which was really what I expected, but I did not expect actual pokemon as roles, but it seems like they could be on the town side, or the wolves side, it's interesting and maybe some pokemon have extra roles after they evolve.

So players and roles can be affiliated on one side or the other? OMG, EVERYONE, COME QUICK!!! E4A REALIZED THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE WOLVES PRETENDING TO BE VILLAGERS!!! HEAVEN HELP US ALL!!!

Also they possibly could evolve only on certain times, unless Baby Mario got priest protection on night 1, there is no reason for him not to have evolved the first night.

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Oh wait yeah, he could use leech seed. nvm about the extra role thing.

And a double-post eliminator for no reason. This update to your post could've waited until later honestly and shows sloppy play on your part for not double-checking what your wrote.

So, check out those italics. You stated some INCREDIBLY obvious facts, called for analysis you did NOTHING to contribute toward, and made a double-post eliminator. Along with Lil_Magma and Kezzup, your on my shortlist of bad players I'm willing to lynch in an instant.

Napoleon: While you call other players out for their elitism you continue to seemingly bait players into situations where you condescend to them through longer explanations that would have been MUCH more useful when placed in your initial post on a subject. I honestly don't think he twisted your words at all, considering he had to extrapolate meaning from a one sentence post which, honestly, we've been getting on other players about for the past two days.

Also, he wasn't asking for you to ACTUALLY reveal your role. Read my comment on his post. He threatened you with a pie upon role reveal. A PIE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! If you're gonna get on your own high horse and make a page and a half long post, learn to read a touch of sarcasm where its meant...

...along with that, of course you're getting targeted by roles. You've played fairly aggressively, taking the position I normally have to early in this game and moving the conversation along through longer, more in-depth posts that ruffle people's feathers and call them out on the tiniest things, trying to get them to slip up in some way and create a logic knot around their throat that is their undoing. I get that. But don't complain the night afterward about getting targeted by night roles when you're playing more powerful than others and out in the open. I dunno if you get to keep using Lucario or if he has to recharge tonight. regardless, this is a pretty strong claim and puts a larger target on your head. Hope you understand this.

z-man: While I still think you were justified in your earlier outburst, this one seems a bit impulsive of you. I do get your role now, I just hope no one posts it out in the open. I would like to know one more thing about your role, but I doubt you'll reveal it as easily as you explained your roles first part. FYI, if your role is what I think it is, keep checking those early posts as I do believe its the best way to find what you're after. Also, per my job both in and out of this game, I won't have anything you're after. No need to target me.

As for the actual night update, there's a bit to go into here. But, I think we need to start thinking about something else: compiling a list of likely names in the game. Now, the pokemon will be difficult to figure out so I say we not worry about them now. What I would like to see us compile is a list of likely characters from the Star Wars universe. There have been MORE than one allusion to players having roles affiliated in this way and it would behoove us to compile a list of 10-20 names of characters in the SW universe that make sense to have in this game and see if we cna figure out what roles they're likely to have. this can help us figure out, from the night update, who's where and eventually require a name claim to further themself in the game. While there's most likely a dearth of Rebel Members and Clone troopers on the ship, so will there also be big-name roles we'll need to watch out for/protect. Having this list can be an invaluable tool alter in the game.

Actually Night analysis tomorrow after I get back from work. It's sleepy time now.

~Cardz.
 
dave628:...LucaEX off your analysis list. Luca is a Mod as has MANY other things to do

LEX is a mod. So am I. Compare the post counts...She has been on my radar since day 1.
She is being smart by by staying silent.

So far everybody that has been silent has stayed alive. Maybe some of the people here should have taken the example to avoid some unnecessary targeting.
 
LOL! EVERYTHING inside a quoted post is in italics! Wanna try again?

...my comments in red...

Yeah [Lil_Magma's] not posting isn't really helping, and i'm in no way defending him, but we should wait a while to see if we can find a better target and get time to analyze what happened during the night.

and where is your analysis of what happened during the night. There's none in this post other than a ref to NIght 1, the previous night, which has already been discussed and shouldn't need brought up again this early in Day 3.

Baby Mario was not a wolf, which was really what I expected, but I did not expect actual pokemon as roles, but it seems like they could be on the town side, or the wolves side, it's interesting and maybe some pokemon have extra roles after they evolve.

So players and roles can be affiliated on one side or the other? OMG, EVERYONE, COME QUICK!!! E4A REALIZED THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE WOLVES PRETENDING TO BE VILLAGERS!!! HEAVEN HELP US ALL!!!

Also they possibly could evolve only on certain times, unless Baby Mario got priest protection on night 1, there is no reason for him not to have evolved the first night.

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Oh wait yeah, he could use leech seed. nvm about the extra role thing.

And a double-post eliminator for no reason. This update to your post could've waited until later honestly and shows sloppy play on your part for not double-checking what your wrote.
 
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Sigh, Napoleon. This is a case of **** homini lupus. First I feel you should know a thing about me. I would not expect you to know some things about me, but some do, so I would wish for you to know of. I run a wolf game on another website (that which shalt not be named). My rules there are very strict. My #1 rule is no role reveals. Anything even close to summarizing the interactions between me and the player in private is strictly warned and eventually modkilled for. My general philosophy is that it can mess with the path of the game. Even so, the rules here are very different, and I am being challenged to describe my path overnight (not role reveal... my error there). Next, most of my posts (not just in werewolf but in forums in general) have an air of condescension to them. That is how I communicate. I try to deviate from this general tone, but that just doesn't seem to happen when I have a message to convey.

There are no rules against claiming in any game. Quote revealing is, of course, modkilled. I mean, really? More original material, less rules quoting please.

Now then, moving on, I certainly did target you. There were two reasons for this.

First is my pure dislike for you. While you have proven yourself to be a reasonable player, I disliked your first post. Why would you be so eager to start up voting? Everyone moved past that, but I happen to dislike such aggressive actions, so I showed noticeable distaste for you. This also plays into my response towards your first post of Day 3. I disliked such aggression (you threatening me in such a way), so I responded in the way I did. While I still don't LOVE you, I feel I can put aside my first impression of you.

I'm pretty sure we already established that RVS is totally valid in every game where there is no Night 0. Whether or not you use it on this forum is not something which can be factored in. If you dislike passive-aggressive playstyles that’s a personal dislike and not something which can be factored in.

My second reason is a prediction. My role is a purely selfish one. There is little for the town to gain from my tailwind.

Lolwhat. If town has nothing to gain from keeping you around then you might as well get killed. That’s a pretty shoddy way to start.

I made an educated guess, and it turns out that guess was right. The reason my role was blocked is what I was going after. You could say my role is a two parter. First I find good targets (which you were in that list), and then I try to reap my rewards. Adding in some good estimation skills makes me fairly good at advancing myself. There is no harm to be done to any of the players, except a few missing things. In fact, I will generally mess up if I target a wolf for various reasons. For this reason, I have convinced myself that you are clear.

Yeah, well, we already gathered that I was cleared.
Okay, I understand exactly what your role is and I look at it in a completely different light to Cardz. As to the snippets of what you’ve given us...it’s generally not pro-town.

Now then... good guessing skills... let me explain. You had first post of Day 1 and Day 2. I felt you would have been able to make some claims (and I was right). Turns out, though, those claims ended up hurting me quite a bit. In fact, they put me under the radar. My guessing was correct, but it hurt me in the long run.

I feel that should suffice, yes? If you want me to talk more, I will, but I feel I was thorough enough (kyahaha).

Nah mate, you’re not under the radar, you’re certainly on it. Having first post means nothing except that I’m not scared of the whole “POST FIRST AND DIE” thing which DarthPika seems to believe in. It’s not like I’m saying “JEEZ, DOC IS SO GOOD, THEY MUST BE FRENCH. OR AUSTRALIAN!”
And yeah, I have reads which I put out there. That’s generally what you do in this game.

I mean, seriously, I was asking for you to tell me what you did at night but you wanted to just flip yourself as an easy lynch lategame? Sure.

Napoleon: While you call other players out for their elitism you continue to seemingly bait players into situations where you condescend to them through longer explanations that would have been MUCH more useful when placed in your initial post on a subject. I honestly don't think he twisted your words at all, considering he had to extrapolate meaning from a one sentence post which, honestly, we've been getting on other players about for the past two days.

Of course I don’t post a wall to start an argument. Pure aggression only works if you have a proven guilty on someone, which I most certainly didn’t.
And he most certainly did twist my words, somehow pulling “role reveal” from “night actions”. In a game where setups and roles are unknown that’s a pretty long shot.

Also, he wasn't asking for you to ACTUALLY reveal your role. Read my comment on his post. He threatened you with a pie upon role reveal. A PIE FOR GOD'S SAKE!!! If you're gonna get on your own high horse and make a page and a half long post, learn to read a touch of sarcasm where its meant...

I’m a theoretical clear so there’s no reason for me to not say that I’m vanilla and I picked up a single shot item. I’ve made that extremely clear.

...along with that, of course you're getting targeted by roles. You've played fairly aggressively, taking the position I normally have to early in this game and moving the conversation along through longer, more in-depth posts that ruffle people's feathers and call them out on the tiniest things, trying to get them to slip up in some way and create a logic knot around their throat that is their undoing. I get that.

The irony being you made no comment about z-man’s slip about being anti-town? Which is pretty massive.

But don't complain the night afterward about getting targeted by night roles when you're playing more powerful than others and out in the open.

I’m not complaining, I’m amused. I mean, sure, standard maf tactic is to sheep the theoretical clear PR until they get hammered with roles such that they can’t do anything during the games but scumhunt. The amusing bit being that I’ve been continually attacked (which did nothing, since I’m flat vanilla) and my Pokémon that I found still got to do its entire role. Logic dictates that PokéBalls can’t be roleblocked, methinks, so they’re very useful on vanilla players.

I dunno if you get to keep using Lucario or if he has to recharge tonight. Regardless, this is a pretty strong claim and puts a larger target on your head. Hope you understand this.

Nah, I can’t use him anymore. If Lucario was a constant use then I’m pretty sure that would be autowin for town since we always get the hammer from a confirmed townie player with no role...

z-man: No need to target me.

What? Okay, let’s assume z-man’s roleclaim is true and for all purposes it is (otherwise he’s playing a very bad gambit from a very bad position which results in the whip out of the LaL button and he dies in seconds). He stated that he will generally mess up if he targets a wolf for various reasons. However, you don’t want him to target you since he’ll get nothing? Apparently he seems to only get nothing when attacking wolves...slip here, Cardz?

A/AM, that’s really WIFOM. “It’s easier for townie to be angry; therefore if someone is angry they are a townie. But wait, what if they’re a wolf pretending to be an angry townie...?” etc etc.
Ragemode can be a towntell in some circumstances but not here.
 
A lot arguments have been posted, which is great, let's keep up the discussion, guys (and gals)!

If there was any suspicion of z-man before, I really don't think there should be any now. So far his behavior has been perfectly rational and his arguments incredibly sound (as usual). The night update is no way even slightly incriminates him in my opinion and to be honest I think you're playing a little jumpily Napoleon. If you're even telling the truth about your identity, he targeted you. So what? I think it's a little too defensive on your part to call suspicion on someone just because they supposedly targeted you.

Cardzmaster as usual is posting excellent, well thought-out posts. I really liked your point about the list, and I'll start with some considerations:

2. Redados1 (Role-Claimed the ability to tell who goes into a chosen room during the night; plausibly accurate)
12. Akane (According to the testimony of Redados1 and A/AM, possibly Chewbacca, nearly accurate)
27. Gallade (Has been targeted a lot and it's possible we can figure out who he is by looking at the night updates; claims a "selfish" role)
29. Z-man (Has two speech impediments: posts phrases in latin and laughes. No supporting information).
32. Thunderjolt (Has a speech impediment that has been linked to Clone Troopers or more likely Deoxys. No evidence)
33. Arcanine/Arbok Master (Pessimistic and sarcastic, claims to be the toolbox guy; No other information.)
40. Benzo (speech impediment: plausibly a droid)
41. Elite 4 Allen (follows people and tries to gather information)

That seems to be it so far. Anyway, right now my vote is probably going towards E4A, but I wouldn't be opposed to start putting pressure on the inactives at this point, in particular Lil_Magma and Kezzup.
 
@Napoleon. How do you get that you're theoretically cleared? What proof is there of that? Don't get me wrong, I'm just asking because between college and trying to keep up with this, I might've missed something.

@E4A. Your last post is a prime example of why people are voting for you. As Cardz pointed out, it was basically a load of nothing. And then you break the rules for such a little amendment? Why? Your play style this game has been somewhat weak, and you will earn my vote if you don't improve.

That's it for now as I have to leave for college. Don't expect much from me until after Thursday and the midterm it brings has passed.
 
Vote Count
Players Remaining: 35
Votes to Lynch: 18


Lil Magma: 1 ultimatedra
Elite_4_Allen: 3 Waynegg, DarthPika, Jellyfisher
Undecided: 1 Lil Magma
 
I don't know if Lil Magma is a great vote. If you look at all the other games, his playstyle is the exact same. Doesnt make him not a wolf, but also doesnt make his behavior a great indicator that hes a wolf.
 
So I used Altaria during the night. It said I got to choose any person in the game and find their alignment. I chose baby mario, but Altaria was killed by Napoleon's Lucario :( but it ended up not mattering because baby mario was killed and we all saw his role.
 
So I have one question...

E4A was in a last minute vote last day but we lynched the other guy thinking he was more likely to be a wolf. He wasnt. So my question is what happened since that time to reduce E4A's suspicion? (maybe I just missed something idk)
 
Pretty much nothing. He has made more unhelpful posts though. There isn't really any suspcion around him, other than similar playstyles to another game where he was a wolf, just an unhelpful posting style.
 
Napoleon is starting to look like a good lynch again, as he's slipped back into his tricks of making very long wordy "fluff" posts to try and disguise his rather weak arguments that are usually focused on making another player look bad. I do not like this style of play, as it screams over aggressive wolf. Z-man has done nothing to deserve the very long, very bad argument Napoleon presented as to why he's suspicious. I'm not saying we should ignore Z-man, but I really don't think we have enough on him to make any kind of informed decision at all atm.

I'm interested to see what good someone burning Gallade did, other than letting us know he got attacked in the night. If it was a killing move, I'm not sure it should be wasted on him.... yet. I would rather have a seer look into what his alignment is than randomly killing people and hoping they're a wolf. Randomly killing people is generally a bad idea, since you might accidentally kill the priest/seer/other power townie role.
 
Okay, guys. Sorry I haven't posted in a while, but I've been busy for the past few days visiting the family during the holiday weekend. Today I have to get out and do yard work. After that, though, I'll have plenty of free time to start posting regularly again.
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Sorry for not posting much - I've been busy with school.

Vote: Undecided


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Star Wars has an "expanded universe" aside the actuel movies. This expanded universe might be incorporated into this game due to the nature of this game. I do not think that this would be so simple to base this game on "the major roles" related to the movies. Although I do think that some charactures in the Star Wars could be a major/minor role in this, we need to maybe think beyond the 6 movies.

vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpt

Also, having Pokemon in this - 600+ to have a role in this game is going to be a task indeed. I do like/enjoy seeing Pokemon being a part of this. It adds quit the "flavor/spice" of element to the game.

Alot of players are silent. There could be numorouse reasons for their silence. I will not vote at this time, I will await a bit longer to see what unfolds during the next few days of the "day".

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Vote: Undecided
 
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Ulti: Good point. We should keep our eyes peeled for SOME sort of posting from LucaEX or add her to the list of possible lynching suspects. Although I do think she's a great player, her not playing should get her eliminated.

Napoleon: There are those of us playing this game who choose not to role reveal in any way since we feel it VERY much takes away from the skill of the game. It's very much a semantics issue and has gotten me in hot water more than once. But some of us just don't believe any role revealing should be done. z-man is one such player. I am another. I will hint at my role whenever it is to the benefit of the town but never do a true reveal.

Also, other than in your mind, NO ONE HERE subscribes to the idea that RVS is a good idea regardless of the day. Continually harping on this point makes you a more useless player more and more. This discussion has been had in WW games in the past and most are on the side of no random vote. Frankly, I'm done with this discussion, but don't be offended when people use your first post as a possible reason to vote you out. Every action has some motivation: some admitted, others not and must be inferred.

Beyond your comments and z-man's I don't see you as a cleared Townie. Again, evidence appreciated and its your job to present said body.

z-man never said anything about being anti-town, just that his role did not have an apparent benefit for the town. Also, you've seemed to COMPLETELY miss what his role is. His role, if I'm reading his posts correctly, deals with Items which you can only guarantee that you have one if you post early and see the update just as early. As I have no Items and will never be topic-camping to grab any dropped Items there is no need for him to target me. Its as simple as that.

Frankly, your post was pretty fluffy for someone who's been talking and credited with playing a decent game thus far. You also REALLY twisted words there on a lot of stuff and making the minutia call between night actions and role reveal is pretty big trap move, one that I personally think is underhanded and I don't appreciate.

PokeChamp: That's a nice list and could be a good baseline for the future, but not quite what I was thinking. I'm more along the lines of Benzo, wondering what characters from the SW universe are in the game so that we might use it to line up roles in the future. Here's my list of probable SW roles as of now:

Luke and Leia Skywalker
Darth Vader/Pikachu (in this universe)
Padme Amedala
The Emperor
Boba and/or Jango Fett
Obi Wan Kenobi
Count Dooku
The Driods (R2D2 and C3PO at the very least)
General Grievous
Yoda
Whats-her-name lead lady from the Clone Wars (Ahsoka, I think)?
Clone Troopers? (NOT Stormtroopers, since most townies are going to be Rebel aligned)

Anyway, this is personal short list so far. Feel free to expand and add Pokemon to the list as its clear who they are. I should've known that are Eevee was in the set based on how AT writes his games; my bad for missing that earlier.

For now, there are three people on my voting list (in no particular order): Lil_Magma, Napoleon, and E4A. I'm fine on a lynch for any of these and can't really easily be swayed from these three as I feel their damaging the game the most. Two others on my close lynch list are Luca EX for lack of inactivity and z-man for, by his own admission, a role that doesn't really benefit the town.

Keep up the great conversation, guys!

~Cardz.
 
Sorry haven't posted yet. Starting high school and all that cool stuff leaves me a little bit overwhelmed.

-ish.

Gallade was burned. This means a fire pokemon is here, or gallade is a pyromaniac. The latter isn't extremely possible, but whatever. The most famous/popular fire pokemon is Charizard, so that's what I'm betting is out there.

And Z-man was bruised, so I'm thinking some type of fighting Pokemon - Machamp, Tyrogue, etc...
 
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