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[losjackal]

We're all aware that we're not being forced to buy these cards. But when the rulebook for the Pokemon TCG specifies things like the "health of the format," when players voice their complaints over a stale format, and when it feels like each set is just dud after dud, I don't see why they can't be competitive business-wise and still make a half-decent set. In terms of business, doesn't it make sense to produce a product that is appealing to every type of customer?

It certainly makes sense! But it's not possible to appease everyone with every set. We agree the ordinary consumer may not even notice how bad these cards are for competitive play. They might even get turned off by simply seeing no Primes or Legends (are there some left that we don't have? I genuinely don't know). And so be it, they'll vote with their dollars and TPC will feel the effect on their revenue numbers.

So what to do about the competitive customers? Should they reprint things we liked before and intentionally alter the health of the format? Or just embrace the suckiness of the situation and no try to artificially increase the set's value? I feel like it's the latter.

---------- Post added 01/28/2011 at 12:00 PM ----------

We're not forced to buy the packs, but they're basically going to be giving a box of garbage to people that perform well at state championships

That is a genuinely good point, and shouldn't get lost in all of the other arguments.

Free cards are free cards, and of course it's nice to win valuable cards, but perhaps this is an unavoidable consequence. On the other hand, maybe they surprise players by giving out Triumphant for States prize support. (Do we need more Triumphant, given all of the Cities?)

 

[Yoshi-]

The problem is that free cards arent free cards, we "buy" price support by buying cards, spending our money on something essentially worthless. Why do we do this? Because we assume we can play in OP events with them. But with these prices those events dont seem so great anymore. So no, its not free cards :/

Anyway, I doubt P!P could do much about it, if japan doesnt give them exclusive cards, what are they supposed to do? Still they couldve given us some better reprints. Maybe they could give out B/W coupons at states?

 

[espy87]

We're not forced to buy the packs, but they're basically going to be giving a box of garbage to people that perform well at state championships

yep. i'm really upset with this.
I wish they would just give packs of triumphant.
I actually like the prizes for making top cut during cities. lol

 

[chomper]

First off, it's an over 100 card set. Second, he hasn't finished putting the scans up. If someone actually read the post, then we'd realize that he has classes, and hasn't finished putting everything up. Patience.

 

[Kayle]

First off, it's an over 100 card set. Second, he hasn't finished putting the scans up. If someone actually read the post, then we'd realize that he has classes, and hasn't finished putting everything up. Patience.

We've seen:

1. Dialga
2. Groudon
3. Palkia
4. Mr. Mime
5. Mime Jr.
6. Skarmory
7. Snorlax
8. Tyrogue
9. Hitmonchan
10. Hitmonlee
11. Ursaring
12. Bayleef
13. Donphan
14. "Phanphy"
15. Flaafy
16. Mareep
17. Pidgeotto
18. Pidgey
19. Seviper
20. Clefairy
21. Cyndaquil
22. Eevee
23. Houndour
24. Magikarp
25. Magmar
26. Mawile
27. Misdreavus
28. Pineco
29. Relicanth
30. Slowpoke
31. Snubbull
32. Tangela
33. Totodile
34. Vulpix

plus seven other cards, for a total of 41 cards.

IMPLIED, however, are

1. Kyogre
2. Munchlax
3. Teddiursa
4. Chikorita
5. Meganium
6. Ampharos
7. Pidgeot
8. Clefable
9. Quilava
10. Typhlosion
11. Vaporeon
12. Jolteon
13. Flareon
14. Espeon
15. Umbreon
16. Leafeon
17. Houndoom
18. Gyarados
19. Magmortar
20. Mismagius
21. Forettress
22. Slowbro
23. Slowking
24. Granbull
25. Tangrowth
26. Croconaw
27. Feraligatr
28. Ninetales
29. Sp. Metal Energy
30. Lost World
31. Lost Remover

For another 31 cards, making 72 cards that we are pretty sure of.

We can also add in the missing "shiny" Legends:

1. Rayquaza
2. Deoxys
3. Entei
4. Suicune
5. Raikou
6. Ho-Oh
7. Lugia

So that's seven more.

79 cards out of your 95 card set, plus if we're going to assume that the energies have set numbers [could also be that the ACTUALLY shiny legends are the end of the set], that's eight more for 87 cards that we know are pretty much trash.

They have 8 cards to make it up to us. Whoo.

 

[espy87]

The last 8 cards are:

Gardevoir SW
Kirlia
Ralts
Poke Turn
Power Spray
SP Radar
Energy Gain
Cyrus Conspiracy

and next years format is RR-On

That would bring the lulz

 

[Kayle]

The last 8 cards are:

Gardevoir SW
Kirlia
Ralts
Poke Turn
Power Spray
SP Radar
Energy Gain
Cyrus Conspiracy

and next years format is RR-On

That would bring the lulz

They don't need to reprint Radar, it's in RR.

Take out Radar. Put in Cess Crystal.

 

[espy87]

They don't need to reprint Radar, it's in RR.

Take out Radar. Put in Cess Crystal.

I know. I was going to put in Double Rainbow lol but I didnt feel like changing it

 

[AyameHikaru]

Except of the eight, aren't, like, six of them rares?

 

[magikarp ex]

Want to say the list is going to look like this:
1 Clefable
2 Deoxys
3 Dialga
4 Entei
5 Espeon
6 Groudon
7
8
9 Ho-Oh (or 7/8)
10 Houndoom
11
12
13 Kyogre (Or 11/12)
14 Lucario
15 Lugia
16 Mismagius
17 Ninetales
18 Pachirisu
19 Palkia
20 Raikou
21 Rayquaza
22 Slowking (Smeargle? )
23 Suicune
24 Umbreon
25 Ampharos
26 Granbull/Forretress
27 Leafeon
28 Magmortar
29 Mr Mime
30 Munchlax
31 Skarmory
32
33 Snorlax
34 Tangrowth
35 Typhlosion
36 Tyrogue
37 Ursaring
38
39 Zangoose
40 Bayleaf
41 Croconaw
42 Donphan
43 Flaaffy
44 Flareon
45 Jolteon
46 Magby
47 Mime Jr
48 Pidgeotto
49 Quilava
50 Riolu
51 Seviper
52 Vaporeon
53 Chikorita
54 Clefairy
55 Cyndaquil
56 Eevee
57 Hitmonchan
58 Hitmonlee
59 Houndour
60
61 Magikarp
62 Magmar
63 Mareep
64 Mawile
65 Misdreavus
66 Phanphy
67 Pidgey
68 Pineco
69 Relicanth
70 Slowpoke
71 Snubbull
72 Tangela
73 Teddiursa
74 Totodile
75 Vulpix
76 Cheerleader's Chant
77
78 Dual Ball
79
80 Lost Remover
81 Lost World
82 Professor Elm's Training Method
83 Professor Oak New Theory
84 Research Document
85 Sage Training
86 Special Darkness Energy
87 Special Metal Energy
88-95 Basic Energy
11 Shiny Pokemon

Literally can't see anything good being in the gaps.

 

[Kayle]

Want to say the list is going to look like this:
1 Clefable
2 Deoxys
3 Dialga
4 Entei
5 Espeon
6 Groudon
7 Grumping??
8 Gyarados
9 Ho-Oh (or 7/8)
10 Houndoom
11 In here: Hypno, Jirachi, Kingdra, Lapras, Lickilicky
12
13 Kyogre (Or 11/12)
14 Lucario
15 Lugia
16 Mismagius
17 Ninetales
18 Pachirisu
19 Palkia
20 Raikou
21 Rayquaza
22 Slowking (Smeargle? )
23 Suicune
24 Umbreon
25 Ampharos
26 Granbull/Forretress
27 Leafeon
28 Magmortar
29 Mr Mime
30 Munchlax
31 Skarmory
32 Smeargle is possible
33 Snorlax
34 Tangrowth
35 Typhlosion
36 Tyrogue
37 Ursaring
38 Uxie lmao, Xatu, Weavile
39 Zangoose
40 Bayleaf
41 Croconaw
42 Donphan
43 Flaaffy
44 Flareon
45 Jolteon
46 Magby
47 Mime Jr
48 Pidgeotto
49 Quilava
50 Riolu
51 Seviper
52 Vaporeon
53 Chikorita
54 Clefairy
55 Cyndaquil
56 Eevee
57 Hitmonchan
58 Hitmonlee
59 Houndour
60 Lickitung is possible
61 Magikarp
62 Magmar
63 Mareep
64 Mawile
65 Misdreavus
66 Phanphy
67 Pidgey
68 Pineco
69 Relicanth
70 Slowpoke
71 Snubbull
72 Tangela
73 Teddiursa
74 Totodile
75 Vulpix
76 Cheerleader's Chant
77 Copycat, any Cynthia's or Cyrus supporter, DSG
78 Dual Ball
79 Energy Exchanger/Link/Pickup, Engineer's, Emcee's, Fossil Excavator, Interviewer's, Indigo Plateau, Junk Arm, Legend Box, Level Max, Looker's
80 Lost Remover
81 Lost World
82 Professor Elm's Training Method
83 Professor Oak New Theory
84 Research Document
85 Sage Training
86 Special Darkness Energy
87 Special Metal Energy
88-95 Basic Energy
11 Shiny Pokemon

Filled in some possibilities, but nothing's certain there.

 

[AyameHikaru]

What concerns me is the space between Ursaring and Zangoose. (#38)

Alphabetically, we have:

Uxie
Vaporeon (Already in set)
Venomoth (Incomplete line)
Venonat (Incomplete line)
Venusaur (Incomplete line)
Vespiquen (Incomplete line)
Vibrava (Incomplete line)
Victreebel (Incomplete line)
Vigoroth (Incomplete line)
Vileplume (Incomplete line)
Volbeat (Incomplete pair w/Illumise)
Voltorb (Incomplete line)
Vulpix (Already in set)
Wailmer (Incomplete line)
Wailord (Incomplete line)
Walrein (Incomplete line)
Wartortle (Incomplete line)
Weavile (Incomplete line)
Weedle (Incomplete line)
Weepinbell (Incomplete line)
Weezing (Incomplete line)
Whiscash (Incomplete line)
Whismur (Incomplete line)
Wigglytuff (Incomplete line)
Wingull (Incomplete line)
Wobbuffet (Incomplete line)
Wooper (Incomplete line)
Wormadam (Incomplete line)
Wurmple (Incomplete line)
Wynaut (Incomplete line)
Xatu (Incomplete line)
Yanma (Incomplete line)
Yanmega (Incomplete line)

............

UXIE

<(O.O)> LOLWUT????

 

[thepliskin5005]

Okay i said on a prevouis thread that there only going to reprint stuff from heart gold soul silver and what do you know i was right.

 

[cmak37]

Rofl, I would laugh SO hard if they reprinted Uxie in this set.

 

[Kayle]

Rofl, I would laugh SO hard if they reprinted Uxie in this set.

Looking at the very slim possibilities, I think they ARE reprinting Uxie.

You heard Pokepop. It's a card seen in competitive decks.

All the competitive decks. All of them.

 

[cmak37]

Looking at the very slim possibilities, I think they ARE reprinting Uxie.

But how? In all of the other sets that Uxie has been printed in, Azelf and Mesprit have also been in the set. I don't see Azelf and Mesprit also being in this set.

 

[Yoshi-]

I can accept a set being trash but foe heqvens sake, NO UXIe

 

[TheDoctor]

Looking at the very slim possibilities, I think they ARE reprinting Uxie.

You heard Pokepop. It's a card seen in competitive decks.

All the competitive decks. All of them.

What about Scizor & Cherrim?

Just joking, I would be mildly happy if they DID reprint Uxie, that way I can get more RH Uxie...

 

[Kayle]

But how? In all of the other sets that Uxie has been printed in, Azelf and Mesprit have also been in the set. I don't see Azelf and Mesprit also being in this set.

Try this.

19 Palkia
20 Raikou
21 Rayquaza
22 Suicune
23 Umbreon
24 Ampharos
25 Azelf
26 Leafeon
27 Magmortar
28 Mesprit
29 Mr Mime
30 Munchlax
31 Skarmory
32 [unknown]
33 Snorlax
34 Tangrowth
35 Typhlosion
36 Tyrogue
37 Ursaring
38 Uxie
39 Zangoose

This involved removing Slowking and Forrettress/Granbull.

 

[AyameHikaru]

Well, the thing with almost everything else is that the ONLY space in our uncommons and commons is #60, between Houndour and Magikarp. Nothing on that list has a basic that fits that space. (I'm betting it's either Jynx or Luvdisc)

Not to mention, on that list, some Pokemon wouldn't be rares even if they were in the set. The ones (IMO) that could possibly be rares would be:

Uxie
Venomoth
Venusaur
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vileplume
Wailord
Walrein
Weavile
Wigglytuff
Wobbuffet
Xatu
Yanmega

So really, the only possibility other than Uxie is that they'll give us the Vileplume again, and just have it be useless in limited format. Oooor that they'll reprint that promo Wobbuffet in an actual set. ^.^; Riiight.

EDIT: Just found a hole in that list. Feraligatr was confirmed. So to fit in all three pixies would take removing Magmortar.

Frankly, Kayle, I don't think they'll reprint Mesprit. Yes it's bad to break up a threesome, but considering that next set Powers won't exist anymore, it seems kind of sad to reprint him. He didn't come out as a League Promo maybe for that very reason... same goes with DSG. Reprinting her when there aren't any tools HGSS on would be bad. Personally I think #79 is Judge.