Ideas that PUI could consider for next year...

[slayer_chaos]

@P_A

I also don't like how you play with at most a 59 card deck every game. Ummm, yeah, I think that was an attempt at humor. I would also like a sideboard and 2 out of 3 at tournaments. But I don't really think those things are gonna be changed anytime soon

Even if you win on prizes, you win as you pick up your last card. So almost no matter what you don't have access to all 60 cards in your deck.

 

[emoboy666]

I am against charging for tourneys. If PUI dose then attendance will drop and how will that help to grow the game.

I highly doubt that people are going to pass up a states over $5 ok it would be something more like distance that would drop attendance.You act like i am asking people to pay some insane amount of cash.My local store has a monthly sanctioned tourney and they charge $5 that goes directly towards prizes and everyone gets 2 pop packs and is happy win or lose.

 

[MathAenya]

In France, we're charging 5€ and nobody's complaining. TOs have to pay the room, buy more prices, etc.

Really, what is 5$ ? You go to the cinema, you go out with friends, you buy comics ? A pokemon event cost LESS than this, and you spend the entire day with others poke-friends. Why are you complaining ? Do you prefer not go out, stay at your house every week-end and just watch TV ?

 

[ryanvergel]

In France, we're charging 5€ and nobody's complaining. TOs have to pay the room, buy more prices, etc.

Really, what is 5$ ? You go to the cinema, you go out with friends, you buy comics ? A pokemon event cost LESS than this, and you spend the entire day with others poke-friends. Why are you complaining ? Do you prefer not go out, stay at your house every week-end and just watch TV ?

People have just been pampered with pokemon and got used to the freeness of it, but charging a nominal fee for specific events for specific age groups wouldn't really deter too many players but would bring in the extra money to help support the game's growth.

Money is an issue, guys. It doesn't seem like POP's budget has grown much- but the players sure have!

 

[emoboy666]

Money is an issue, guys. It doesn't seem like POP's budget has grown much- but the players sure have!

which is why they should charge.

 

[master of puppets]

Top 8 at cities! Please!
And abandon your "Cost effective" policy.
Please?

 

[Mew]

So why is it that it is mostly PTO's and those who work for the game are the one's saying that things are fine the way they are (pertaining to charging for events, prize structure, player support, number of events, times of events, and locations of events). Most of them give the same repeated reasoning in every thread like this. It's getting boring.

Encourage change, not just in the fine tunning of the ranking system, but rather in the large issues that a fairly large sum of players seem to think need to be fixed. Stop shooting them down with comments like:

I think our attendance will plummet.

There are a lot of players who come for the fun of the event, but know in their hearts they have no shot of top 4ing at the event.

With an area dominated by a few top players, they will stop coming if they feel they are just paying for your kid and my kids' prizes.

I have seen it happen. It does happen.

Yep, but I was horrible at the game. I kept playing anyway. (as did a great many others, look at how low attendance was when the big N brought the game back from the dead) David Coates was like the king of the game to me, he was unbeatable. I never once thought that I was paying for his prizes.

I'm broke flat out. I make an allowance of $10 a week, which I spend on league (our league charges a manditory $5 but this is returned in the form of a pack) and lunch on League day. If tournaments gave a pack to everyone (which seems to have been the case back in the day of Nintendo owning the game before Pokemon became it's own company) then no one would have a problem with paying, and I'll stand by that. From that, PUI would make $1+ a head. Seems like a good thing to me.

Our attendance has been way up since the institution of free events.

Are you sure it's because they're free. The greatest influx of players was when the D&P video games were released. The video games increased awareness/popularity. No one can truthfully say that they know charging for events would drop attendance or not.

in which age group is the growth in this game coming from?

how would the changes suggested affect that group? as opposed to the existing dedicated tourney-goers?

'mom

A: All ages. Recently a group of about 8 college students have started attending our league. They're pretty cool guys. I also see about 1 new junior or senior player come to league each week as well.

Q: I think it would be divided. Half of the newer players; the ones like me and all the others who came back, defeat after defeat, still paying that $5 per tournament under Nintendo, would stay on because they think the game is a challenge, they like pokemon, and the like having fun. Then the other ones who wouldn't pay $5, or travel many many miles, would stop coming.

But have you ever looked at it this way:
What if all the dedicated players stopped playing because the game continued on the way it is? (that is to say that the Rating system was not ajusted, events and their location/population stayed the same). How would the game be affected.

I've known 2-3 people that have quit because things like this. I personally think that they should have at least finished the season to see if any change comes next season, but whatever will be, will be.


Yep, so bring on the flaming!

 

[SD PokeMom]

has anyone considered the paperwork and overhead involved...accounting hours, just to name one...that would be involved in collecting and verifying even a 'nominal' entry fee from dozens of TOs/PTOs for hundreds of these events?

said income from a paid event would be reduced pretty severely by overhead, and certainly would not be enough to fund a significant increase in prizes across the board.

jmho.

'mom

 

[Mew]

has anyone considered the paperwork and overhead involved...accounting hours, just to name one...that would be involved in collecting and verifying even a 'nominal' entry fee from dozens of TOs/PTOs for these events?

said income from a paid event would be reduced pretty severely by overhead, and certainly would not be enough to fund a significant increase in prizes across the board.

jmho.

'mom

No, I'm sorry, but I have not considered it. How was it done in the past when they did collect nominal entry fees?

However, I'm thinking that you're right on this one. It really wouldn't increase prizes enough. But over the next 2-3 years, it would start to add up.

 

[ryanvergel]

Let's face it, charging a 5 dollar entrance fee to states, regionals, and nationals and giving a booster pack (which costs little to make compared to the 5 being taken in) WOULD add up, just like Mew said.

Dozens of states, many regionals, and nationals each charging 5 a head for masters would still bring in SOME kind of assistance to the budget. Every little bit counts, right?

I'm not looking for more prize support, but that would be cool. The entrance fees collected from masters for big premier events should at least ASSIST in more local tournaments or leagues, where players are really brought in. I'm sure that for every state that charged 5 a head for masters it would help fund at least a BR or something.

The idea behind fees for events shouldn't be for prize assistance, it should be for increased support for smaller tournaments. Like Jimmy said, there's a HUGE gap between spring BRs and autumn BRs, where a lot of casual players have nothing to do. More tournaments, please! Plus, with more tournaments ratings would be more legitimate since there's more information for the ELO to work with. The idea of charging for events would help the game's problems on MANY fronts IMO.

 

[edwarpy]

PLease elaborate on this a little further before I give you my real response to this reply. This is your second attempt at a swipe at me. Be careful cause I really like to poke back.

Last I checked, I posted this topic to help figure out whats good for the game.... It has always been my first priority.

Remember this... I AM a player FIRST!!! If you care to question that, I will be at Nationals to show you just what kind of player I am.

Jimmy

I wrote because I think Charisychulee nailed it. The fuss and energy poured into Worlds is not helping
the game on whole. I meant to challenge you to address that honestly. I say challenge because I think
it would be particularly difficult for one who reached the top of the mountain to consider the shadow
it casts.

I wrote poorly, I see that. I probably don't have enough respect for store owners for a variety of
reasons. I think that tainted my reading of your post. I heard more 'what's good for my store' than
you really wrote. I re-read your post and see that it was a balanced, thoughtful assessment of the
State of the Game.

It was an unecessary jab that sounded harsher than I intended, and I do apologize. I see and
appreciate your passion for the game. Thanks for all you do to support it.

 

[Charisychulee]

Let's face it, charging a 5 dollar entrance fee to states, regionals, and nationals and giving a booster pack (which costs little to make compared to the 5 being taken in) WOULD add up, just like Mew said.

Dozens of states, many regionals, and nationals each charging 5 a head for masters would still bring in SOME kind of assistance to the budget. Every little bit counts, right?

I'm not looking for more prize support, but that would be cool. The entrance fees collected from masters for big premier events should at least ASSIST in more local tournaments or leagues, where players are really brought in. I'm sure that for every state that charged 5 a head for masters it would help fund at least a BR or something.

The idea behind fees for events shouldn't be for prize assistance, it should be for increased support for smaller tournaments. Like Jimmy said, there's a HUGE gap between spring BRs and autumn BRs, where a lot of casual players have nothing to do. More tournaments, please! Plus, with more tournaments ratings would be more legitimate since there's more information for the ELO to work with. The idea of charging for events would help the game's problems on MANY fronts IMO.

I think that charging for tornaments is a bad idea and I'm tired of hearing about it. Gas prices are high enough without charging for tornaments! Can we PLEASE move on to other subjects. Everyone on here has posted their opinion on this subject. So I will repeat my self by saying, ENOUGH, MOVE ON ALREADY! PLEASE?!?

 

[edwarpy]

Ok, on a lighter note. Can we ditch the babies? Is Pikachu not cute enough? Do squealy little
voices really make them cuter? Are any of them playable except for Chingling (careful what you
say about Chingling....)?

I actually had a point to make here, I guess I should have made it instead of nibbling on the edge.
It seems the game has no problem bringing in the youngsters, and probably does an ok job keeping
them. But maybe they are over-catering to the little ones. What more can be done to make the game
'cooler' for 12-15 year olds so that more will choose to start Pokemon instead of that Other Game?

 

[BJJ763]

One day on the same day a Premier event was held, a $15 entry fee tournament was held where the winner got a Wii. Attendence at this event was about 18 people. These people were or would become winners in the States & Regionals.

Others were at the Premiere event. Can't find the event so i don't know the attendance.

People are not going to pay to enter a tourney that they really don't stand a chance of winning. Or have an outside, very outside shot of winning.

They will enter if it's free.

Only Masters have to pay? Where's the logic in that? Can you say "Age discrimination"? You know there will be people who complain about why they have to pay $5.

So why is it that it is mostly PTO's and those who work for the game are the one's saying that things are fine the way they are ...

Possibly because they can see what is happening in their tourneys. They can see that numbers are up and if they have to start charging a fee so that the really good players can get better prizes, they feel attendance will drop. The really good players will show up and wonder where everyone is. Why throw $5 for a pack when the not so good players can save it and get 1.5 packs when they go to League the next day?

Why should local tourneys have prizes given out from POP? POP supplies prizes for their events. Local events should have prizes by the local TO. No one is stopping TOs from holding local events. I use to judge a weekly tourney back in the day (or if there was an odd amount of players, i'd play in it). Support came from the TO, not POP (nor WOTC). Why those local events can charge an entry fee so they can have prizes.

Oh and no way should local events count for rankings. How vocal would the cry be when if someone gets an invite because they won local tourneys? The outcry of "I can't get to local tourneys" and "So-and-so did not play in any premier events but got an invite?" would be overwhelming.

So how to grow OP and keep the players happy between Premier events? Local tourneys. Run them. Often. On your own. Don't look to POP for help (other than to provide the resources it does for all tourneys).

 

[ryanvergel]

One day on the same day a Premier event was held, a $15 entry fee tournament was held where the winner got a Wii. Attendence at this event was about 18 people. These people were or would become winners in the States & Regionals.

Others were at the Premiere event. Can't find the event so i don't know the attendance.

People are not going to pay to enter a tourney that they really don't stand a chance of winning. Or have an outside, very outside shot of winning.

They will enter if it's free.

Only Masters have to pay? Where's the logic in that? Can you say "Age discrimination"? You know there will be people who complain about why they have to pay $5.



Possibly because they can see what is happening in their tourneys. They can see that numbers are up and if they have to start charging a fee so that the really good players can get better prizes, they feel attendance will drop. The really good players will show up and wonder where everyone is. Why throw $5 for a pack when the not so good players can save it and get 1.5 packs when they go to League the next day?

Why should local tourneys have prizes given out from POP? POP supplies prizes for their events. Local events should have prizes by the local TO. No one is stopping TOs from holding local events. I use to judge a weekly tourney back in the day (or if there was an odd amount of players, i'd play in it). Support came from the TO, not POP (nor WOTC). Why those local events can charge an entry fee so they can have prizes.

Oh and no way should local events count for rankings. How vocal would the cry be when if someone gets an invite because they won local tourneys? The outcry of "I can't get to local tourneys" and "So-and-so did not play in any premier events but got an invite?" would be overwhelming.

So how to grow OP and keep the players happy between Premier events? Local tourneys. Run them. Often. On your own. Don't look to POP for help (other than to provide the resources it does for all tourneys).

POP already discriminates against masters, what's more discrimination going to do?

 

[SD PokeMom]

how does POP 'already discriminate' against masters? aren't prizes equal across the board?

and don't forgot 15+ didn't even HAVE OP under wotc...

'mom

 

[BANGINBOX]

how does POP 'already discriminate' against masters? aren't prizes equal across the board?

and don't forgot 15+ didn't even HAVE OP under wotc...

'mom

WOW.... This pains me to say this... But MOM IS RIGHT!!! YUK!!! :biggrin::thumb:

We do not even want to travel that road with PUI.....

I think we are getting a little off topic though.... We seem to be focusing on the simple things brought up.... How about the MAJOR things... Like a Judging seminar for more consistancy, restucture of the major events to space them out to every 2-4 months, opening up out card pool to mirror Japan, and some of the other GREAT suggestions....lets not get sidetracked so easily. There are many other things here people have yet to touch on.

Lets get off the pay for entry and how horrible the ranking system is and try to offer up some long term solutions to some of the issues we are seeing today.

We do, after all, want the same thing. A longstanding and successful OP.

Jimmy

 

[Krucifier]

In my opinion, all the ratings system has done is encouraged poor sportsmanship and "richer" players to travel to more events. Correct me if I am wrong, but the ratings system was brought in to allow for a "competitive and fair World-Championship invitational structure, to allow consistant players better chances of getting to Worlds, and because people were travelling to multiple Gym Challenges to increase their chances of getting to the World Championships."

Err, well, people are still going to multiple events to get invited to the World Championships... And it would seem that with this system, to be consistant, you have to have aloooooooot of money to travel around. This system is not rewarding 'consistant' players. Just the rich ones. 2 years has been long enough for "trial" and "error". This system obviously doesn't work.

And I have heard the "This system helps prevent collusion and team play" rubbish from way too many people. Collusion and team play are still as adundant in this system as it was with the old system. I mean, look at Bigchuck's signature... Perfect example of one of the many ways to cheat the ratings system.

 

[PokePop]

Judge training is already a topic of discussion at various levels.
I see a real need for it, I hope it happens.

I'd like to see the card pool expanded somewhat, either by slowing down the rotation of sets out of the format, or by the introduction of a new Legendary Collection type set. PK had a bit of that flavor, but something designed to give a shot in the arm to the format would be great.

I think a $5 fee could work for some events, but there is no reason those can't be local events.

 

[BLiZzArD]

WOW.... This pains me to say this... But MOM IS RIGHT!!! YUK!!! :biggrin::thumb:

We do not even want to travel that road with PUI.....

I think we are getting a little off topic though.... We seem to be focusing on the simple things brought up.... How about the MAJOR things... Like a Judging seminar for more consistancy, restucture of the major events to space them out to every 2-4 months, opening up out card pool to mirror Japan, and some of the other GREAT suggestions....lets not get sidetracked so easily. There are many other things here people have yet to touch on.

Lets get off the pay for entry and how horrible the ranking system is and try to offer up some long term solutions to some of the issues we are seeing today.

We do, after all, want the same thing. A longstanding and successful OP.

Jimmy

I personally love the idea of a judges seminar and would gladly attend and what better place to hold it than nationals or worlds (where the best of the best gather) I know I have much to learn from the other premier judges in this game and I may have a little insight for them:biggrin:

BLiZz