vegitalian
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What does this have to do with finishing school?
The effect on US nationals from Canadian Nationals?
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What does this have to do with finishing school?
everything! lol...
meganium45
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Man, just as we shouldn't be so quick to bash the Canadians, we should not ban a YGO player for stepping over and playing this game.
Heck, one of the best Pokemon players I know, that T2d in Nationals in MAGIC this year (US), formerly finished T3 in Masters in the US Nationals (and may very well have conceded his T4 game), and has won major YGO events.
Card players are card players, and we needn't be so quick to discount a great YGO player or Magic player making his mark in Pokemon.
Heck, our 4 time World Champ, Ness, makes (or made) his mark playing another card game as well.
Kudos.
Yes, Pokemon has some interesting quirks, but it is a card game that can be learned as well. With the right training team, the learning curve can be downright small.
Vince
Heck, one of the best Pokemon players I know, that T2d in Nationals in MAGIC this year (US), formerly finished T3 in Masters in the US Nationals (and may very well have conceded his T4 game), and has won major YGO events.
Card players are card players, and we needn't be so quick to discount a great YGO player or Magic player making his mark in Pokemon.
Heck, our 4 time World Champ, Ness, makes (or made) his mark playing another card game as well.
Kudos.
Yes, Pokemon has some interesting quirks, but it is a card game that can be learned as well. With the right training team, the learning curve can be downright small.
Vince
If you re-read the commments above I did NOT criticize the player at all for winning with such an inferior deck. Many would say that I did the same with eevee. Sometimes things just seem to go right. I cant explain it. Props to the person who figured out a terrible metagame.
If you would take the time to digest what is written, you would see that I was mearly pointing out how bad the Canadian metagame truely is. Golem/Exploud only proves it. This is the main reason it will not EVER effect our nationals events. Decks like ZPS will be immediately discounted as a legitimate threat in the US.
I personally think the mew deck is more of an eye opener than ZPS.
Jimmy
agree, curtis and matthew made sucha beast deck
the ability to pull up emboar with vileplume out is so underrated
mew <3! aswell
Attach warp energy, no big deal.
This is a pretty simple deck (maybe not easy to play but the idea is simple) really just a hand lock deck. Use weaviles to discard import things and run lots of judge and team rock trickery to add more disruption and use ambipom to decrease hand size even more.
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also by turn 2 you are basically judging your opponent everyturn if they have a cleffa out
But what do you do against T2 Donphan or T2 Zone if you lose the opening flip? Just concede?
LucarioLvlX
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Jimmy
I know you will never back down and you will keep flinging out the insults, great SOTG. But, by calling it an inferior deck are you not directly criticizing the player who built it? Then, you go on to insult all Canadians by ridiculing our metagame when, as I expressed earlier, none of us have any interest in influencing the US Nationals in any way, shape or form. I invite you to come to Canada any time and play in one of our tournaments. You will have a great time and we will enjoy battling you, win or lose. Why don't we wait and see what happens at US Nationals before drawing any conclusions about the affect of the great Canadian metagame? I hope everyone has a great time this weekend and I look forward to hearing all about it. Cheers!
I know you will never back down and you will keep flinging out the insults, great SOTG. But, by calling it an inferior deck are you not directly criticizing the player who built it? Then, you go on to insult all Canadians by ridiculing our metagame when, as I expressed earlier, none of us have any interest in influencing the US Nationals in any way, shape or form. I invite you to come to Canada any time and play in one of our tournaments. You will have a great time and we will enjoy battling you, win or lose. Why don't we wait and see what happens at US Nationals before drawing any conclusions about the affect of the great Canadian metagame? I hope everyone has a great time this weekend and I look forward to hearing all about it. Cheers!
it was a donphan tech.... not a donphan deck. as I heard it was like a 2/2 line which isnt hard for zekrom to deal with. I also heard the other guy got trash starts twice in t4.
What I'm saying is canada is a small tournament so you can easily go through swiss while only hitting 1-2 autolosses then have a good chance of not hitting anythign problematic in tc like he did.
Politoed666
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No. It wasn't his build that was bad, evidently. In fact, he clearly had a pretty good build. However, ZPS is an inferior archetype. I could collaborate for days with the best players in the world finding out the best way to play Speed Slowbro and I guarantee you that it would still be terrible. If someone called the deck bad, that wouldn't be saying that it was necessarily constructed badly... it would be saying that the entire idea is bad.
Obviously, he's not the one who came up with the idea for ZPS. He just decided to play it, and probably had a pretty good build. He won a Nationals. Good for him. That doesn't change the fact that the idea behind ZPS is probably subpar.
I think that probably summarizes what Jimmy meant when he called it an inferior deck. No criticism intended of the player.
vaporeon
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that deck just shows how uncreative the us is. " oh no, it's not magnaboar so it sucks." their meta is not bad, just different from ours and the last time I checked, zps was going to be played here as well.
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CFOURCOLTSFAN
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I remember seeing you at OH states this year,and you were really nice too, I always like this game more when a nice guy w/ a roguish/unique idea wins/or does well.
Also I highly doubt ZPS will do too well at US, 9 rounds, and b/c ZPS did well i'd expect more Donchamp and eventually the deck either won't donk or it'll just run into Donchamp or Magneboar.
I'm not saying ZPS is bad, but that it really isn't as good a play as it should be considering it won a Nationals, going X-1.
also the thing about the dude hardly playing the game or whatnot, honestly ZPS is usually simple to play, my 9 year old sister(who's never played at a tournament or really shown interest in playing, unless it's w/ Cinccino) can play the deck w/out misplaying, it's that simple to play.
Anyhow congrats to all who did well at Can. Nats and good luck to the USA peoples at US nats.
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Thats sad
that's SO Pro!!!!!!!!!!
I've seen people go on a lucky hot streak and donk 7/8 rounds in a tournament, with a T1/T2 style deck you can't say that for sure, especially when you add the decks ability to donk not only babies, but high HP basic AND 2 Pokemon starts with seeker on the occasion.
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