Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Idea for a Gym Leader system

I call xxx gym.=P

But seriously, maybe it should be something like the winner of Vaporeon's tournament is the one that does try-outs, just IMO.
 
I think that solidifing GL's who can commit to being available, has wi-fi, and can keep track of opponents badge status would be a place to start.
 
Benzo said:
I think that solidifing GL's who can commit to being available, has wi-fi, and can keep track of opponents badge status would be a place to start.
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Actually i think that these steps are needed to get this started:

(Listed in order of importance)
1 - Get a set of rules set up.
Keeping a list of simple rules (Pokemon/level/format) is a must. Inventing rules that the DS cannot replicate (Like sleep clause etc.) should be avoided. More advanced rules like that will detour people from wanting to enter, and thus will cause the downfall of the system. I believe that this is one of the major reasons why people did not participate.

2 - Set Gym Leader guidelines.
Some will be obvious like availability, but other guidelines must be established.

3 - Elect Gym Leaders.
This will be up to the masses, but the person wanting the position will have to nominate themselves. By nominating yourself, you agree to abide by the guidelines.

4 - Recruitment.
Getting more people into the forums means more participants. When the other 3 steps are finished, there will be a small waiting period. During this period, we should advertise the heck out of this.

Once these steps are completed, we will have officially have lift off. Anybody else have anything to add to this?
 
I've been waiting for your post :). I think when we advertise it, we should have a prize structure figured out. I personally am not as motivated by the prizes, but some people will be.

I can't agree more with imposing things that the DS can't regulate. I think we should not be very restrictive. Have all battles be either lvl 50 or 100 (pick one for everyone) and have everything be single.

I think affirming the rules is the most difficult part, but it seems like the best way to do this would be to have a vote on the few things being debated. Electing gym leaders will be more straightforward.
 
It was not my intention to arrange the steps to getting this idea off the ground. I was simply making an observational statement as to how events/tournys are needed to be "staffed"- without a good staff- who is going to keep this idea running?
I agree with what Ulti posted-
The guidlines/rulings need to be non-detouring to all who want to participate.
And as far as advertising this, local leagues would be a place for word of mouth for ds players.
I for one right now do not want to be a GL (Back-up maybe?)- I would like to see how this goes (if and when it does).
 
Arcanine/Arbok Master said:
I can't agree more with imposing things that the DS can't regulate. I think we should not be very restrictive. Have all battles be either lvl 50 or 100 (pick one for everyone) and have everything be single.

I think affirming the rules is the most difficult part, but it seems like the best way to do this would be to have a vote on the few things being debated.
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I do not think the rules will be very hard at all. I believe that having battles be either Doubles or Singles, as well as how many Pokemon to be used, should be up to the gym leader. That way it will require different strategy's depending on the Gym.

I think that the easiest set of rules that everybody could easily abide by are the Battle Tower Rules.
ultimatedra said:
Battle Tower Rules
No Duplicate Pokémon
No Duplicate Items
These Pokémon Cannot Be Used:
#150 Mewtwo, #151 Mew
#249 Lugia, #250 Ho-oh, #251 Celebi
#382 Kyogre, #383 Groudon, #384 Rayquaza, #385 Jirachi, #386 Deoxys
#483 Dialga, #484 Palkia, #487 Giratina, #489 Phione, #490 Manaphy, #491 Darkrai, #492 Shaymin, #493 Arceus
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I think that the only thing i would add to this is that Soul Dew cannot be used.
Wobbuffet and Wynaut have almost no use in doubles and both of them are a taunt away from being useless, but that can be up to debate.
 
Check out my rules in that link I posted on the other page. They were decided by a mjority of voters (most no longer part of it, but non the less worth looking at) There are rules reguarding gym leaders and how to choose leader and how to challenge leaders and Elite 4 members
 
Absoltrainer said:
Check out my rules in that link I posted on the other page. They were decided by a mjority of voters (most no longer part of it, but non the less worth looking at) There are rules reguarding gym leaders and how to choose leader and how to challenge leaders and Elite 4 members
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I read the threads you mentioned, and i have to say that i dislike a nice chunk of it.

For one, the rules page is WAY to long in my opinion. Simple is the way it needs to be if we want a good turnout. Your General rules i do agree with, but voting on soul dew as well as Wobbuffet/Wynaut will need to be done again.

Gym leader tryouts will take to long, so voting via the majority would be better. Also, having a gym for EVERY type another thing we should stay away from. 8 Gyms per period. This i believe stays true to also having an elite four and champion. A Tournament of Champions is a good way to ensure good turnout. As for Gym typing, i believe that a gym leader must have 2/3 of a team dedicated to their gym type.

Gym leader replacement is a bad idea. The 8 gym leaders will already agree to abide by the guidelines, and replacing them would be a whole new issue. Also, since the Gym leaders will not be able to compete in the Tournament of Champions, i will try to get some sort of compensation for them. If i am going to compensate a gym leader i am going to ensure that i have them for the entirety of the event.

I think that re-battling a Gym should be longer than 24 hours. I think that a week would be better. That way a time can be set up that will be convenient for both the challenger and the gym leader.
In addition to this if a person loses to a gym leader three times in a row, they must challenge another gym. If it is the last gym, then after the 3rd match they win the badge automatically. This of course will need to be voted on.

Gym Leaders can moderate their own matches, and if there is an issue i have ACTUAL mod status so i can settle anything going on in here.

But then again, this is all just discussion right now. Me disliking something has little meaning.
 
Battle tower rules are ok, just to keep it simple, and that also covers the obnoxious legendaries. If we leave it up to the GL for their battle format, then they should be unable to change it once they've decided.

Im neutral about wobby, think that should be a vote.
If GL's decide how many pkmn to fight with I think it should be between 3-6 and so if they have 3, 2 will be of their type. 4 will require 3 of their type. 5-6 will require 4 of their type.

I think GL's should be able to swap out their team at any time as long as it still follows the overall rules and their rules.

Obviously replacing GL's is undesirable, but if someone does stop battling, we should have a back up or two ready to take their place.

So it looks like we should vote on the following issues:
Number of pkmn fought with?
a. Up to GL
b. Static amount

Battle rules:
a. Follow Battle tower rules
b. Anything goes
c. no duplicate pkmn, but duplicate items allowed

Battle format:
a. Decided by GL
b. static (and if this is decided, lvl 50 or 100 || double or single)

Time between challenging same GL:
a. GL can wait for a week before the rematch
b. Should be less downtime than a week?

If on last GL should 3 losses get you the badge?
a. yes
b. no
c. no, but if you only have one GL left, you should be able to challenge them more frequently

Allow Wob?
a. yes
b. no

Allow Soul dew?
a. yes
b. no

Should GL's be able to swap their team in and out?
a. yes
b. no
c. yes, but with restrictions

And, there is no way we should have more than 8 GLs. One for every type is unnecessary, and we dont have THAT many people.
Also, how do we want the voting to work for GLs. We can have everyone vote for the rules in a format like what I presented, but electing GL's is a bit more difficult. Should people be able to vote for themselves? How many votes does each person get?
 
I have some input as well.

I think that all rules, like ultimatedra said sohould be up to the Gym Leader as its their gym. To keep rules looking good, I would do something like this.

Flying Gym Rules

Battle Format- 6V6

Battle Clauses:

Sleep Clause
Item Clause

All battle clauses are up to the leader

Stealth Rock Clause

Banned Pokemon:

Your Choice of Banned Pokemon.( Standard Ubers. Me, I would allow the use of Lugia and Ho-Oh)

Gym Rules

No team countering. (This is a big one)
If you lose in a gym battle, you have to wait a week to challange again.

Other Rules

Gym Leaders are allowed to use up to 2 wildcards.
Number of challangers that will be accepted a week.
Leaders are allowed to change pokemon. (Me, I have 30 different fliers I can use. This is also a way to prevent team talk.)

No matter how we try, this will be a competitive thing, even if we don't want it to be. Most the rules will have to be standard as well as gym related.

The no team countering this is big so people don't challange with teams to counter. If someone does bring a counter team and win, they won't win the badge as they used typing to win and not skill.

Of cource, we just can't make rules without having them checked first. Someone would need to check them first or have a vote on them. Yeah the basic gym rules are to protect the gym leaders from abuse but still need to be checked so they are not over protected.

I think a sleep clause should be in effect because like I said before, this will be like tournament style of play and we don't want to abuse game-winning conditions. Keep in mind that Stadium 1 and 2 as well as PBR have a sleep clause. Freeze is hard as those games check for it.

As for guidelines for Gym Leaders, they would have to be able to accept challanges as they come, would have to have wifi and prove that they are a master of they type they chose to be as gym leader. We don't want someone who has no skill using Water type Pokemon as the water type gym leader. Other things are needed as well.

Me, I would way to be they Flying type leader because I have skill using them and I like to use them. Of cource, it would be up to the members of the gym who makes it in.

Recruitment might be hard as most forums don't allow site advertisement but most of us here can record and post on Youtube and can be linked back here. I record my DS battles and post them on Youtube. Thats just food for thought. Use Youtube to advertise the gym.


I also think that if we have a tournament of champions, it should be done every 4 or 6 months. This way people want to play and have something to look forward to. Prizes would be needed as well so its not all for nothing.

A E4 system might be hard to manage due to there being a champion. I guess who ever beats the champ, becomes the new champ until the next person wins. It could even be used as a rating system and something to do till the tournaments or champions come around.
 
Arcanine/Arbok Master and Vaporeon: voting will be taking place in another thread, and base line battle rules will come first, then after that we will get the Gym leader stuff settled.
i will start a voting thread sometime this week i will start the thread for discussion and voting specifically for rules.

We cannot just throw a bunch on info into this thread and flood the discussion. Vaporeon, posting custom gym rules now is getting WAY WAY WAY ahead of yourself.
One step at a time.

As for the E4/Champion issue - i think this is being read into too much. doing away with it all together will solve this problem.

Remember, this is discussion. Specific rules discussion will be in a separate thread.
 
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I agree with most of this stuff, but Sleep Clause is a must. There are many fast sleepers out there that can have roar, and that can screw any team over.
 
Ultimatedra said:
Gym leader tryouts will take to long, so voting via the majority would be better. Also, having a gym for EVERY type another thing we should stay away from. 8 Gyms per period. This i believe stays true to also having an elite four and champion. A Tournament of Champions is a good way to ensure good turnout. As for Gym typing, i believe that a gym leader must have 2/3 of a team dedicated to their gym type.
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I had an idea strike me while thinking about this thread while at League. Why should the Gym Leaders limit themselves to just one of 17 game typings when the TCG forces 9 different types? As people already know, the TCG categorizes the 17 game types into the following:

:colorless: = Normal, Flying, Dragon
:grass: = Grass, Bug
:fire: = Fire
:water: = Water, Ice
:psychic: = Psychic, Ghost, Poison
:lightning: = Electric
:fighting: = Fighting, Rock, Ground
:dark: = Dark
:metal: = Metal

This would also allow the Gym Leaders more pokemon to choose from so their teams aren't so easily countered and make pokegym really stand out as a place to go for gym league battles due to the unique type structure. Dual-type pokemon could also be under either type.

There is a tiny problem with my idea though: those with still only one type to choose from and there being 9 types instead of 8. Perhaps Dark and Metal could be combined under one gym and/or those gyms could be allowed more wildcards than the others. Just a thought.
 
What if, instead of requiring Gym Leaders to stick to a single type, allowing them two types? Like, I would take Metal and Psychic - so Gardevoir, Scizor, Metagross, and Gallade are all legitimate members of my team (they all share one or both of the types of my team).

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

ultimatedra said:
1 - Get a set of rules set up.
Keeping a list of simple rules (Pokemon/level/format) is a must. Inventing rules that the DS cannot replicate (Like sleep clause etc.) should be avoided. More advanced rules like that will detour people from wanting to enter, and thus will cause the downfall of the system. I believe that this is one of the major reasons why people did not participate.

2 - Set Gym Leader guidelines.
Some will be obvious like availability, but other guidelines must be established.

3 - Elect Gym Leaders.
This will be up to the masses, but the person wanting the position will have to nominate themselves. By nominating yourself, you agree to abide by the guidelines.

4 - Recruitment.
Getting more people into the forums means more participants. When the other 3 steps are finished, there will be a small waiting period. During this period, we should advertise the heck out of this.

Once these steps are completed, we will have officially have lift off. Anybody else have anything to add to this?
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Sorry about double posting. ^^"

Step 0:
We need a team of Administrators.

The Elite Four, if you will. ;P I personally disdain the idea of a Champion, but I think the Elite 4 should be exactly the same as the GLs except they are trusted with organizing the rest of the GLs.

Step 1:
The Gym Leader selects the Tier available. They may construct their team with only Pokemon available in that Tier.

All battles should be level 100 battles. The format can be decided by the Gym Leader.

The GL should be able to decide lots of things about the battle format - but it should run through the E4 for approval first.


Step 2:
As far as availability goes, if the GL does not respond to a challenge in some set period (probably a couple weeks) without notification of absence, well... they should be removed. There were other things I was considering, but generally, the penalty for absence should be removal from the position. We don't want flaky leaders clogging up the positions.

Step 3:
There should be a battle/capability guideline. A previously elected member of the GLs/E4 needs to battle the candidate with their intended team, to ensure that they are actually skilled enough to represent themselves as a GL.

Step 4:
Sure.



Okay. So, those are my thoughts. I would be willing to return to this site more frequently to help this program work (I cannot guarantee daily activity or battles, but certainly getting around to a few challenges per day on the weekends or something should be feasible for me).
 
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Tyranny of Tyranitar said:
I had an idea strike me while thinking about this thread while at League. Why should the Gym Leaders limit themselves to just one of 17 game typings when the TCG forces 9 different types? As people already know, the TCG categorizes the 17 game types into the following:

:colorless: = Normal, Flying, Dragon
:grass: = Grass, Bug
:fire: = Fire
:water: = Water, Ice
:psychic: = Psychic, Ghost, Poison
:lightning: = Electric
:fighting: = Fighting, Rock, Ground
:dark: = Dark
:metal: = Metal

This would also allow the Gym Leaders more pokemon to choose from so their teams aren't so easily countered and make pokegym really stand out as a place to go for gym league battles due to the unique type structure. Dual-type pokemon could also be under either type.

There is a tiny problem with my idea though: those with still only one type to choose from and there being 9 types instead of 8. Perhaps Dark and Metal could be combined under one gym and/or those gyms could be allowed more wildcards than the others. Just a thought.
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This idea is a very different idea, but you have to remember, you have to stay away from being complicated. Now many Pokemon have a second type and that should add enough versatility and i do not see why having 1/3 of a team as an opt for another type, but again this is a discussion.
 
ultimatedra said:
This idea is a very different idea, but you have to remember, you have to stay away from being complicated. Now many Pokemon have a second type and that should add enough versatility and i do not see why having 1/3 of a team as an opt for another type, but again this is a discussion.
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Considering that these types would be for gym leaders only to choose from to make their teams with, this shouldn't be too complicated to implement. Gym Leaders also wouldn't be forced to use all the types in their, shall I call it "element', of choosing. If for example the :water: GL wanted to use only the Ice typing (i.e a Hail team with Abomasnow), they could.

As for the four elements with only one type to choose from, I noticed they share similar weaknesses if combined; for example, Fire, Electric, and Metal are weak to Ground, but there are pokemon in each potential combined group that can help each other. There are ways for these types to get around their weakness, but only if combined; for example, fire has no answer to water weakness by itself, but an electric combination provides Lanturn, metal provides Empoleon and dark provides Crawdaunt for water resistance.
 
ultimatedra said:
Arcanine/Arbok Master and Vaporeon: voting will be taking place in another thread, and base line battle rules will come first, then after that we will get the Gym leader stuff settled.
i will start a voting thread sometime this week i will start the thread for discussion and voting specifically for rules.
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That really needs to happen; this thread exploded in the past hour. We really need to outline the basic ideas and call them to a vote. That should be simple enough. Rather than streaming opinions at each other, we will vote on them.

In the meantime, we should probably rally the gym members we know to get more people in on the voting process when that thread gets made.
 
This is cool.

The only thing that I can see as being a problem is the gym leaders getting crushed.
In all honesty, what is a team of fliers going to do against a standerd trick room team?
If the leaders are restricted to one type then it is much easier for them to get swept. Much. Not a desired result. Gyms are suppost to embody a challenge.

Also what is considered a counter team? How are teams judged as to be counter teams?

I think leaders should, insted of types, have theamed teams ex: sandstorm, rain, gravity.

I also think some things should have to be standerdized like clauses and battle tower rules.

Singles or doubles? Probably the former or a mix of the two.

Just IMHO

I think this could actualy work...
 
if this happens you should have some sort of prize for the GLs too. I think the types of teams should stay close to the types of teams the game uses. EX: 1st gym rock, 8th gym electric. we should vote on the gym leaders too.
 
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