No High Rollers in Pokemon

[bulbasnore]

Hey bulba, what if you guys did a pokecast on why flipping a coin might be better than rolling dice?

Thanks for your interest in the cast, but what about something funnier and more interesting... I hope. Watch for our contest!

I can't believe there is seriously a discussion going on about Coin Flips vs High roll. This is RIDICULOUS.

Well, I am kinda chuckling all the way through this whole dealio :lol:, but it didn't seem ridiculous to the people who told the PTOs to start promoting/enforcing this rule. It does seem small compared to some other rules that are just as routinely ignored:

• Call your attack
• Announce the use of Powers
• Mark your status conditions

But they do all come from the rule book.

Maybe if we can get on the right track with playing by the rules, I won't have to see a repeat of stuff like a flotilla of $150 Flariados decks wielded by kids who don't have poison or burn counters (not just one or two either). Parents & mentors :nonono:

I think it's possible to play this game with power and style and still play it right.

Remember members, you can still roll a dice to start the game, just roll evens-heads/odds-tails, not high roll.:thumb:

 

[Regis_Neo]

*Coin flips break fingernails.
*Old people lose consisitency of coin flips.
*Newbies cant flip coins properly.
*Dices are so much easier to use.
*Only coins would damage cards and sleeves.
*Makes things easiers for everyone
*Smart people use dices. Dices > Coins, End of discussion. *clicks*

Want some cheese with that whine? :nonono:

I guess the art of reading is lost, so I'll kindly requote this for everyone:

To save on purple pixels, here let me say it one more time since some members can't seem to hear it:

You can still use dice


Got that?

 

[vietgamer1021]

sorry bulbasnore i wasnt being clear

high roll to determine who flips the coin

then winner of that flips a coin

loser calls

if and if they call it right, they go first, else they go second

i think they said in the rules that you cannot use high roll to determine who goes first directly,
but flipping a coin should be okay, which is why we are determining that... right?

please make sure that this is legal or illegal

 

[Bizarro]

I think the biggest problem people have with this "correction" is, that one player makes the coin flip/dice roll for heads or tails, which means only the one who flips the coin can determine the outcome and the other player can't do anything.

Most players (even some at our Battle Road) felt very uncomfortable with this situation, since you don't know wheter your opponent somehow tricked the outcome or not.

 

[Destinii Haruya]

Well, I'm definitely in favor of this new rule. Dice are just damage counters, OK? I prefer a heads/tails chance than a dice.

 

[PokePop]

sorry bulbasnore i wasnt being clear

high roll to determine who flips the coin

then winner of that flips a coin

loser calls

if and if they call it right, they go first, else they go second

i think they said in the rules that you cannot use high roll to determine who goes first directly,
but flipping a coin should be okay, which is why we are determining that... right?

please make sure that this is legal or illegal

Why swich from a die to a coin?

You can roll a die and the other player says "Heads" (or tails).

If it comes up evens, then the player that called Heads goes first.

What's hard about that?

 

[PokePop]

I think the biggest problem people have with this "correction" is, that one player makes the coin flip/dice roll for heads or tails, which means only the one who flips the coin can determine the outcome and the other player can't do anything.

Most players (even some at our Battle Road) felt very uncomfortable with this situation, since you don't know wheter your opponent somehow tricked the outcome or not.

You can announce your call as the die or coin is leaving their hand or is in the air.
How are they going to "fix" that, then?

 

[Themagicman]

Ridiculous !!!

RIDICULOUS!!!!

ALL THIS ABOUT START UP PROCEDURES.

IF YOU PLAY A GAME "WITH" ME AND YOU WANT TO FLIP THE COIN, YOU WANT TO CALLS, YOU WANT TO START THE GAME FIRST, YOU WANT ME TO GO FIRST OR WHAT EVER... GO AHEAD!!!

I JUST WANNA PLAY!!!

IF IT IS SOOO IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO CALL, TO FLIP AND SO ON, I REALLY DONT MIND. IF YOU ARE HAPPY AND SLEEP BETTER THAT NIGHT, CAUSE I LET YOU DO ALL THAT, YOU WON AND BLAH BLAH...I AM A HAPPY MAN, CAUSE I MADE SOMEONE HAPPY TODAY !!

I THINK EVERYONE WHO COMPLAINING ON THIS ISSUE HAVE FORGET THE SPIRIT OF THE GAME. RULES ARE THERE TO BE FOLLOWED. IF YOU PLAY AS THE RULES YOU GONNA HAVE A GREAT TIME. IF YOU TRY AT ANY TIME TO CHANGE THE RULES OR CHEATING ONLY TO WIN, WIN, WIN, I THINK THAT YOU ARE BAD APPLES IN THE BASKET. YOU SHOULD LEAVE BEFORE CONTAMINATING ALL OTHERS.

LET US HAVE FUN !!!

 

[Rocketman]

I love stirring the pot...........

 

[Prime]

I passed the word on to the members of the league I attend. I tried to explain it the best I could to them. I don't think anyone had any problems with it, and it was picked up pretty easily.

One step at a time.

 

[Ardoptres]

Omg, how can this be a problem to anyone? :s

 

[FireFighter095ReBorn]

This is such bull. For the 8 years i played this game i never had this rule ENFORCED in a game. It was always one way or the other. Its the same odds yes but i like the idea of rolling a 20 sider and having the fun of figuring how easy hard it is to beat a #. It does cause ties but a tie can be broken in 2 seconds,maybe 4. Now your forcing players to go one way which will be good in the long run but gives less variety on game start.. I guess if i still love this game which i do i gotta stick with the enforcement. I guess as life changes so dues this games tightening on rules ><:nonono:

 

[toxictaipan]

Omg, how can this be a problem to anyone? :s

It really isn't... I think they are all here for show.


I mean really, is it *SO* hard for all of you people (that have fussed about this) to just deal?? It's a rule and rules are to be followed. Here's a nice saying for you, " If the world (rules in this case) doesn't adapt to you, you adapt to it." That basically means, just because you don't like the rule, or you are used to another way of starting the game, YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT!

*Coin flips break fingernails.
Wow, just wow. I have no idea what to say about this. That is a PATHETIC excuse, I mean truly pathetic.
*Old people lose consisitency of coin flips.
*Newbies cant flip coins properly.
*Dices are so much easier to use.
*Only coins would damage cards and sleeves.
Right, because the dice hitting the card would do so much less damage then a coin. *End Sarcasm*
*Makes things easiers for everyone
*Smart people use dices. Dices > Coins, End of discussion. *clicks*

 

[Venjamin]

Eh, I can't say I'm thrilled by this, it really does seem kind of pointless. I agree that the odds are different that way, but at the same time, does that mean it was inherently a wrong way of doing things?

 

[ShadowTogetic]

Look, heads/tails means no more consecutive ties on seeing who goes first.

And, dice is plural. Die is singular

 

[toxictaipan]

Eh, I can't say I'm thrilled by this, it really does seem kind of pointless. I agree that the odds are different that way, but at the same time, does that mean it was inherently a wrong way of doing things?

Exactly, it was a wrong way of doing things! We (including myself) were doing this wrong, POP found out and has now clarified that it needs to be done with Heads/Tails. There was no change of rules, no new rule added, or any of that stuff, we were just doing it wrong.

Look, heads/tails means no more consecutive ties on seeing who goes first.
And, dice is plural. Die is singular

And you're point is??

 

[bonslypwns]

I like the change because statisticly odds weren't even when high roll correct? Or am I wrong here? You have a 1/6 chance to get every numer, same with your opponent. And certain rolls give certain %'s due to your opponent and how much odds are they'll get bigger lower. Where as heads/tails. 50-50, very fair. Good choice POP! :thumb:

 

[toxictaipan]

I like the change because statisticly odds weren't even when high roll correct? Or am I wrong here? You have a 1/6 chance to get every numer, same with your opponent. And certain rolls give certain %'s due to your opponent and how much odds are they'll get bigger lower. Where as heads/tails. 50-50, very fair. Good choice POP! :thumb:

That there is my point to it. Even though you have the same odds as rolling the same thing as your oppenent, you don't have very good odds beating a 6, and if you tie, then you're just eating up time breaking ties. Heck, I've tied like 5 times in one game with High Roll!!

 

[Muk Man]

Rolling a die works exactly the same as flipping a coin.

One player flips/rolls and the the other calls it.
If it comes up the same as what the second player called, that player goes first.
If it comes up differently than what that player called, then the other player goes first.
There is no choice of going first or second in a one game match.

No what i'm asking is who has the right to flip/roll. Lets say I'm in the finals and my opponent and i are both dead set on making the call. I dont wanna flip he doesn't wanna flip we both want to make the call. We call a judge? what will/should a judge do?

 

[SD PokeMom]

No what i'm asking is who has the right to flip/roll. Lets say I'm in the finals and my opponent and i are both dead set on making the call. I dont wanna flip he doesn't wanna flip we both want to make the call. We call a judge? what will/should a judge do?

What if both players want to call heads/tails, who will flip/roll?
What if neither player wants to decide whether or not they will call or flip?

If I was the judge for this tournament, I'd encourage these two players to ask themselves some serious questions about whether they want to go home now, or just pull themselves together and start having some fun.

'mom