WEREWOLF XII: Cyrus's Revenge!! ENDGAME Planning for next WW game inside
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PokeChampofPokeBeach
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Oh, I'm going to be away for a while. There is a funeral that I am attending, and I should be back Jan. 4, just enough time to cast a last-minute vote. So this is my warning that I'll be inactive over the next few "real" days.
@ pokemon99:
Where is your evidence of that? It's one thing to accuse someone of being a wolf, but doing so without evidence is completely unwarranted. Please explain.
@ pokemon99:
Where is your evidence of that? It's one thing to accuse someone of being a wolf, but doing so without evidence is completely unwarranted. Please explain.
pokemon99
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in the firsssst night update, Hatter wasss ssseen near a pokemon that usssssed agility. I wassss that pokemon. Hatter had no reassssson to be near me that night but he wassss anyway. after thisss happened, he wassss drawn on by a jigglypuff. He hasssn't posssted sssince then and i believe that he isss a wolf
PokeChampofPokeBeach
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He could have been near you for any reason, be it good or bad. That proves nothing suspicious nor does it prove anything noble.
This is interesting, though. You have admitted to being the Pokemon who used Agility. That is an interesting thing to note.
Guys, wheres the proff that Diaz is the preist? Ok he was protected in the bubble for 2 nights? That he targeted someone!? Are you guys really thinking that since he was targeting someone that he is the preist? There are so many different roles that require to target someone. And since it appears as if he has been protected by the preist both nights that means that there is no seer that would know his role beacuse of the preisting. I may be missing something but what evidence actually proves that Diaz is a preist? Other than that he targeted someone and claimed that he was the preist? Both of which are really wack ways of proving something. Right now I'm just confused about this, IDK if I'm missing some evidence that yall noticed that I haven't. So someone please explain.
DP: You have really defended Diaz since day (1) (Day 1 on the fact that he simply claimed that he was the preist) Like I said earlier, unless I missed something then I don't see what conclusivly says that he is the preist. I mean like I said I might have missed something about Diaz but in almost all of your posts you've defended Diaz and I know that it would be in the greater intreast in the town to keep a preist around but you've taken it a step farther it seems odd that you would defend someone so hard just simply on the fact that they claimed that they were the wolf [Day 1]
On SG, he like me might have simply missed something but to me and possibly him it just seems dangerous that we simply accept Diaz to be the preist on the fact that he has targeted someone and was protected.
On the Liza and Tate thing: I would highly doubt that with this many people that AT would not include Tate in this game. There is just so many roles that he would have had to make that I don't see what else he would include over Tate. And like it said in Liza's write up, if they met they would probably form thier own Mason group somewhat where they could tell each other what they discovered with thier Psychic powers.
That's all for right now. So if someon could explain how Diaz has been proven to be the preist it would be appreicated.
Also I did not make this post to point fingers. It's just what I fell about the game that I have and the confusion that I have right now.
DP: You have really defended Diaz since day (1) (Day 1 on the fact that he simply claimed that he was the preist) Like I said earlier, unless I missed something then I don't see what conclusivly says that he is the preist. I mean like I said I might have missed something about Diaz but in almost all of your posts you've defended Diaz and I know that it would be in the greater intreast in the town to keep a preist around but you've taken it a step farther it seems odd that you would defend someone so hard just simply on the fact that they claimed that they were the wolf [Day 1]
On SG, he like me might have simply missed something but to me and possibly him it just seems dangerous that we simply accept Diaz to be the preist on the fact that he has targeted someone and was protected.
On the Liza and Tate thing: I would highly doubt that with this many people that AT would not include Tate in this game. There is just so many roles that he would have had to make that I don't see what else he would include over Tate. And like it said in Liza's write up, if they met they would probably form thier own Mason group somewhat where they could tell each other what they discovered with thier Psychic powers.
That's all for right now. So if someon could explain how Diaz has been proven to be the preist it would be appreicated.
Also I did not make this post to point fingers. It's just what I fell about the game that I have and the confusion that I have right now.
PokeChampofPokeBeach
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Diaz told us he was Sabrina the Priest. During the night, a woman (undoubtedly Diaz due to the many people who were going to target him) was about to do something to somebody, but failed due to Priest protection. Even if Diaz is not the Priest, he is town-aligned. The only way he couldn't be town-aligned is if he killed someone, and until he does so, we have no choice BUT to believe he is the priest. Or some other town-aligned role. So if he isn't the priest, he's a townie, and there's little point in voting out someone you know is a townie.
DarthPika
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I am not aligned with Diaz in anyway. I'm simply trying to keeping him around until we can determine with out a doubt that he is either the priest, or is not telling the truth. So far, the evidence is pointing to him being the Priest. If you'll remember, I was one of the first to say that he should go for his horrible use of logic when he suggested voting off the experienced players first. Then, it occured to me that we actually don't have to lynch him, because eventually we'll figure it out going by absols updates, therefore, potentially not wasting a valuable lynch.
Right now, I'm not so much trying to defend him, as to get the town to try and look at other players as potential wolves so as to keep the game moving along. We've already all but exausted the Diaz arguement (the fact that we have 32 pages by day 3 should prove this), so I really think that our efforts would be better spent right now focusing on other possibilities. That's not to say that we shouldn't keep watching Diaz. No, I understand perfectly that he still needs to be closely watched. However, wolf or priest, he is not in a position to do much anyway, so he's really not a threat as of now. If he does prove to be a threat, we have him right where we want him so to speek, in the sense that we can lynch him easily when ever need be should he not be the priest.
Right now, I'm not so much trying to defend him, as to get the town to try and look at other players as potential wolves so as to keep the game moving along. We've already all but exausted the Diaz arguement (the fact that we have 32 pages by day 3 should prove this), so I really think that our efforts would be better spent right now focusing on other possibilities. That's not to say that we shouldn't keep watching Diaz. No, I understand perfectly that he still needs to be closely watched. However, wolf or priest, he is not in a position to do much anyway, so he's really not a threat as of now. If he does prove to be a threat, we have him right where we want him so to speek, in the sense that we can lynch him easily when ever need be should he not be the priest.
fire spin
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@Fire spin:
i would ask you to please explain to me how my posts seem suspicious. From the beginning I have always tried to make the main point of each of my posts has been to ask people to think out their posts carefully as it is with this one. I especially do not see how anything I said after FJM died proves me suspicious.
i understand the thinking carefully, however when we lynched FJM you seemed rather annoyed, even though the whole town could see that FJM's logic was flawed. Furthermore looking at previous games, you have done this before when you were a wolf.
however i am not accusing you of anything. In a way everyone is suspicious, due to the fact we have no real proof of anything. furthermore loosing someone like ikrit, who is often a voice of reason will hurt.
Sorry if i missed something i am still new to this game.
i would ask you to please explain to me how my posts seem suspicious. From the beginning I have always tried to make the main point of each of my posts has been to ask people to think out their posts carefully as it is with this one. I especially do not see how anything I said after FJM died proves me suspicious.
i understand the thinking carefully, however when we lynched FJM you seemed rather annoyed, even though the whole town could see that FJM's logic was flawed. Furthermore looking at previous games, you have done this before when you were a wolf.
however i am not accusing you of anything. In a way everyone is suspicious, due to the fact we have no real proof of anything. furthermore loosing someone like ikrit, who is often a voice of reason will hurt.
Sorry if i missed something i am still new to this game.
Azure Kite
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Yes PokeChamp, this is quite comical. DP and SG both need to take some chill pills.
DarthPika: Yes, if Diaz ends up to be the priest, SG will probably be the next to go. But, as likely as it is, what if Diaz is a wolf? Very unlikely, but I'm not counting it out. Then YOU'LL be the target. Seriously, who else is going after Diaz? Is there ANYONE other than SG? I'm not sure. NO ONE is trying to get Diaz lynched, and few if not just SG are still suspicious of him. I've been saying this for a while now....stop arguing about Diaz. I'm sick of it taking up our time.
Shinygyarados: SHINYGYARADOS PLEASE READ THIS. DON'T PRETEND LIKE YOU DIDN'T. Let me try to settle this with you once and for all. Day 1, Diaz makes a stupid move, and we nearly lynch him, but then he role claims. He says he is the priest, and soon after he reveals he is Sabrina. Like you, I am still VERY skeptical at this point, and I hold my vote for him. That night, everything changes. There is a female that is protected. We see that this female was targeting someone for something. We had discussed someone protecting Diaz, and apparently someone did. Why? Diaz was the biggest person of interest. It'd make sense that a lot of people would target him. A lot of people targeted this female(remember Diaz had claimed to be Sabrina, a female), who it would make sense to protect. See how it all falls together? I find it INCREDIBLY farfetched that Diaz would claim to be a female priest, THEN we find out that a female who was targeting someone was then protected that night. See how this would make us believe Diaz is the priest? The next night we see even MORE evidence of similar things happening to suggest he's the priest. Now, SG, now that you've read this, can you honestly still hold to Diaz not being the priest?
Lucaro EX: What is this "or else" business anyway? Even if DP is aligned with SG, it doesn't mean we're going to vote for him. But I would still like DP to back off.
Pokemon99: Very interesting. Although it doesn't mean Hatter is a wolf, I do wonder what he was checking you out for. Not too sure about what Pokemon you are though. Arbok/Ekans have never been able to use Agility to my recollection. Beedrill maybe? IDK, doesn't make sense that he would hiss. Maybe the extended S's are buzzes instead of hissing? You'd thing then it'd be Z's instead...whatever, still probably not important.
Liza and Tate: I would be shocked if one of them was in this game but the other was not. The remaining twin may possibly be another priest. They were probably in a Mason group.
Most likely more later, but right now I cannot think of who to lynch.(not that I can vote anyway) If all else fails I suppose we could try for Cardkeeper but I'd really like to avoid that path without more concrete evidence.
DarthPika: Yes, if Diaz ends up to be the priest, SG will probably be the next to go. But, as likely as it is, what if Diaz is a wolf? Very unlikely, but I'm not counting it out. Then YOU'LL be the target. Seriously, who else is going after Diaz? Is there ANYONE other than SG? I'm not sure. NO ONE is trying to get Diaz lynched, and few if not just SG are still suspicious of him. I've been saying this for a while now....stop arguing about Diaz. I'm sick of it taking up our time.
Shinygyarados: SHINYGYARADOS PLEASE READ THIS. DON'T PRETEND LIKE YOU DIDN'T. Let me try to settle this with you once and for all. Day 1, Diaz makes a stupid move, and we nearly lynch him, but then he role claims. He says he is the priest, and soon after he reveals he is Sabrina. Like you, I am still VERY skeptical at this point, and I hold my vote for him. That night, everything changes. There is a female that is protected. We see that this female was targeting someone for something. We had discussed someone protecting Diaz, and apparently someone did. Why? Diaz was the biggest person of interest. It'd make sense that a lot of people would target him. A lot of people targeted this female(remember Diaz had claimed to be Sabrina, a female), who it would make sense to protect. See how it all falls together? I find it INCREDIBLY farfetched that Diaz would claim to be a female priest, THEN we find out that a female who was targeting someone was then protected that night. See how this would make us believe Diaz is the priest? The next night we see even MORE evidence of similar things happening to suggest he's the priest. Now, SG, now that you've read this, can you honestly still hold to Diaz not being the priest?
Lucaro EX: What is this "or else" business anyway? Even if DP is aligned with SG, it doesn't mean we're going to vote for him. But I would still like DP to back off.
Pokemon99: Very interesting. Although it doesn't mean Hatter is a wolf, I do wonder what he was checking you out for. Not too sure about what Pokemon you are though. Arbok/Ekans have never been able to use Agility to my recollection. Beedrill maybe? IDK, doesn't make sense that he would hiss. Maybe the extended S's are buzzes instead of hissing? You'd thing then it'd be Z's instead...whatever, still probably not important.
Liza and Tate: I would be shocked if one of them was in this game but the other was not. The remaining twin may possibly be another priest. They were probably in a Mason group.
Most likely more later, but right now I cannot think of who to lynch.(not that I can vote anyway) If all else fails I suppose we could try for Cardkeeper but I'd really like to avoid that path without more concrete evidence.
Lucario EX
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Okay, okay, bad wording. I was just trying to say that I would be considering DP as a possible wolf if he didn't explain his obsession with Diaz. Sorry for being too busy to carefully consider every single word I ever post. No need to be so jumpy.
Shellshock929
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Wow, talk about a long day. Not sure what's really going on (I need to be active more), but for now:
Vote: Undecided
Not to mention that I have Cities tomorrow, so I'll see more tomorrow.
Vote: Undecided
Not to mention that I have Cities tomorrow, so I'll see more tomorrow.
shinygyarados
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Haha I read every post Azure Kite.
The thing about him being correct about being a woman does not secure his place in my mind at all. There have been plenty of bad women in Pokemon: Mars and Jupiter are both Galactic Commanders, perhaps one of them has a secondary role. He could be Hunter J targeting someone to try and find a specific pokemon to kill. He could be Jessie from Team Rocket, although I dont really see that as a possibility. At the same time he could be any number of other town oriented roles: He could be Daisy and cause another simling effect but only if on a pokemon. As long as he already knew he was a female, he would be able to call that part of the night update. I do not doubt that he is the woman that has been the focus of the night updates. It is the priest part that I doubt. I do not know if I have made this perfectly clear in my earlier posts, but it is not like I do not consider Diaz to be telling the truth to be a possiblity. I understand that there is a chance he is telling the truth.
As for the threats of "If Diaz dies and is a priest, then you will get lynched" I find that fairly ridiculous. The last thing that we will need after losing a priest is to lose more townies. Just because my doubts turned up unfounded doesnt mean that it was ridiculous to have them in the first place. I think it is pretty funny that DP isnt fond of Lucario EX's "or else" when he is basically telling me that I should stop questioning Diaz "or else" I will die if he is a good guy.
@Fire Spin:
The reason I was so annoyed after FJM died was because there was really no need for him to. There was no evidence that he was anything other than a newbie townie that was excited to start playing. What bothered me the most however was the way that that days votes went:
Random voting.
Smacktack got a couple of votes, says he is sorry a couple of times and all the votes go away.
Diaz gets a few more votes, role claims, and the votes go away(if a little bit slower, but there were more votes to get rid of)
Everyone votes for "no one". Cardzmaster says it is foolish to do so. Everyone takes their vote back.
Diaz gains more votes. Darth Pika and friends have a page long discussion about why we should either vote off FJM or Smacktack, votes shift from Diaz to FJM.
Everyone starts voting for FJM. FJM role claims AND says he is sorry. By all acounts this should have shoved all votes off of FJM, and yet he still dies.
I didnt see the logic in that.
Also I think it is pretty interesting how all during day 1 Darth Pika stated that if Diaz was not dead within a couple of days, then he would be lynched because the wolves didnt kill him. As far as I can tell the wolves have not targeted Diaz at all. How long is the grace period on this exactly?
The thing about him being correct about being a woman does not secure his place in my mind at all. There have been plenty of bad women in Pokemon: Mars and Jupiter are both Galactic Commanders, perhaps one of them has a secondary role. He could be Hunter J targeting someone to try and find a specific pokemon to kill. He could be Jessie from Team Rocket, although I dont really see that as a possibility. At the same time he could be any number of other town oriented roles: He could be Daisy and cause another simling effect but only if on a pokemon. As long as he already knew he was a female, he would be able to call that part of the night update. I do not doubt that he is the woman that has been the focus of the night updates. It is the priest part that I doubt. I do not know if I have made this perfectly clear in my earlier posts, but it is not like I do not consider Diaz to be telling the truth to be a possiblity. I understand that there is a chance he is telling the truth.
As for the threats of "If Diaz dies and is a priest, then you will get lynched" I find that fairly ridiculous. The last thing that we will need after losing a priest is to lose more townies. Just because my doubts turned up unfounded doesnt mean that it was ridiculous to have them in the first place. I think it is pretty funny that DP isnt fond of Lucario EX's "or else" when he is basically telling me that I should stop questioning Diaz "or else" I will die if he is a good guy.
@Fire Spin:
The reason I was so annoyed after FJM died was because there was really no need for him to. There was no evidence that he was anything other than a newbie townie that was excited to start playing. What bothered me the most however was the way that that days votes went:
Random voting.
Smacktack got a couple of votes, says he is sorry a couple of times and all the votes go away.
Diaz gets a few more votes, role claims, and the votes go away(if a little bit slower, but there were more votes to get rid of)
Everyone votes for "no one". Cardzmaster says it is foolish to do so. Everyone takes their vote back.
Diaz gains more votes. Darth Pika and friends have a page long discussion about why we should either vote off FJM or Smacktack, votes shift from Diaz to FJM.
Everyone starts voting for FJM. FJM role claims AND says he is sorry. By all acounts this should have shoved all votes off of FJM, and yet he still dies.
I didnt see the logic in that.
Also I think it is pretty interesting how all during day 1 Darth Pika stated that if Diaz was not dead within a couple of days, then he would be lynched because the wolves didnt kill him. As far as I can tell the wolves have not targeted Diaz at all. How long is the grace period on this exactly?
smacktack15
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Couldn't Pokemon99 be a Seviper? I think it may learn agility but, I am unsure.
d master342
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The Wolves targeted Diaz Day 1 I believe.
I've almost had it with this "Diaz is not a Priest" talk. It's time everyone talked about something else and ignore it.
dmaster out.
I've almost had it with this "Diaz is not a Priest" talk. It's time everyone talked about something else and ignore it.
dmaster out.
Diaz
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There’s a pile of evidence suggesting I’m a priest. It seems unlikely that any amount of evidence short of my role being posted by absol after I die will convince you. But here’s just a little more info to back me up.
While I have been targeting people each night, the wolves have also been targeting. This means I’m not a wolf. In that case, odds on that I’m town aligned.
Also, it would have been pretty risky of me to post that I was Sabrina if I wasn’t. All it would take is someone else posting “Hey, he’s lying, I’m Sabrina!” to discredit me. Also, I’m guessing that there are a bunch of other people with gym leader roles, these people have know from day one, that I was at least accurate in picking a theme when I role claimed day 1. This is all evidence for me, that can be traced back to even day one.
@everyone: stop attacking SG, he is arguing the minority opinion, which is something we will need people to do in the future. By attacking him and telling him not to continue discussing me, you are continuing to discuss me.
@SG: Stop attacking me. Seriously. It’s hurting the town, by not letting us focus on other things. You need to recognize that you are not going to win over the town today. If you are town aligned, you should be exploring other options, even if you still have your doubts about me. You’ve expressed your doubts now lets move on. If you continue to attack me, I will have to conclude that you are sabotaging the town by attempting to not let discussion progress, and I will vote for you.
Pikamaster
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@SG. Couldn't the wolves and team galactic be two different independent parties? We have the man who threw himself against the barrier night one, then the people who shot at the excavator night one. I'd say that the one that threw himself against the barrier is more likely to be a wolf. If that is true, than the wolves did target him night one and have yet to make a kill.
Also, however long Diaz gets priest protection is controlled by the priest protecting him, end of story. Now let's stop talking about Diaz, didn't we have enough of that on day one?
VOTE: Undecided
Also, however long Diaz gets priest protection is controlled by the priest protecting him, end of story. Now let's stop talking about Diaz, didn't we have enough of that on day one?
VOTE: Undecided
DarthPika
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Just something to think about, but apparently I was all over the town one night, as well as Diaz. I'm not quite so sure that just because someone bumped into someone else during the night that it means they're a wolf. It IS something to look into, however, I don't think we should simply assume that being seen by someone else during the night instantly qualifies anyone as a wolf/non townie.
Pikamaster
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He could be Scyther from AT's last game, he's already thrown in a few roles from it it seems. Scyther from last game was: