WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!
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jellyfisher
Member
So right now, I am not liking the idea of voting for AAM or Cardzmaster. Later in the game (maybe even the next game day) they might be good lynch candidates, but for now, I don't think we have enough evidence to lynch either one of them.
Just because they both reached opposite conclusions, does not mean that one is a liar. Cardzmaster reached the conclusion that AAM could now be part of the Sith. AAM is saying that he knows nothing about the tattoo, and he is not part of the Sith. AAM could be telling the truth, and Cardz might really believe AAM is now part of the Sith. So you see, there is a possibility that both of them are being honest.
Now your just making things up. PokeChamp hasn't said anything about his tattoo, and no one has asked him anything about it. And the only other two people that had a tattoo are dead. And neither of their roles said anything about the tattoos.
We actually do have proof that he is (or at least was) a townie.
Maybe the tattoo changed his alignment, but if it didn't, he is a townie.
You just seem a little to eager to get AAM lynched. The points you brought up against AAM were not very good, and it seems that you were just trying to find whatever you could to add to Cardz's points against him. So I think that you have some explaining to do.
Vote:cabd
Just because they both reached opposite conclusions, does not mean that one is a liar. Cardzmaster reached the conclusion that AAM could now be part of the Sith. AAM is saying that he knows nothing about the tattoo, and he is not part of the Sith. AAM could be telling the truth, and Cardz might really believe AAM is now part of the Sith. So you see, there is a possibility that both of them are being honest.
Now your just making things up. PokeChamp hasn't said anything about his tattoo, and no one has asked him anything about it. And the only other two people that had a tattoo are dead. And neither of their roles said anything about the tattoos.
We actually do have proof that he is (or at least was) a townie.
Maybe the tattoo changed his alignment, but if it didn't, he is a townie.
You just seem a little to eager to get AAM lynched. The points you brought up against AAM were not very good, and it seems that you were just trying to find whatever you could to add to Cardz's points against him. So I think that you have some explaining to do.
Vote:cabd
1603
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I apologize for the tone of my earlier post, I was barely awake, and upset at the delay of one of my favorite anime series. (yes, i'm a nerdy one)
Anyways, @whoever, like I said, I was already suspicious, and then the post cardz made kind of convinced me of my own logic, if that makes any sense.
I was already thinking of voting, and then cardz came along and filled in the holes of my argument for me.
What's worse, I ask you:
# Voting after another person votes because they help you flesh out an argument
or
# Withdrawing your vote because you get accused of bandwagon voting.
I'd argue that the second one shows less conviction than the first. If I get a tad bit of heat for it, so be it, but I stand behind my words and decision.
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@The cipher plan: Possibly viable, but I have my worries. First of all, this is 2011, a simple hash such as that could easily be broken by a table of common phrases, especially since if the prior roles are any indication, Absol writes most of them the same style. One could use a dictionary file based upon Star Wars, and add in common WW terms, and probably break your encryption.
I'm a computer engineering major, and such an attack is definitely feasible. Not sure if the wolves would waste THAT much time, but it's certainly a possibility to worry about.
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@Redados (and anyone else confused about the cipher plan)
Basically, they're saying the seer and random people/everyone should post gibberish code. The one person who is, in fact, a seer, knows the identity of at least one remaining townie. They code THEIR gibberish to use a word from the role card that they saw of the townie. That townie now has the information, while everybody else is left in the dark. However, this assumes that the person receiving the message is both brave enough to decrypt it and paint a HUGE target on their back, and that nobody else can brute-force it.
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@Jellyfisher (your post was posted while I was typing the above, sorry if anything is repeated/left out):
My apologies for my convictions, but I stand by them. As for the tat thing, I stand corrected, I was confusing them and the commlink, which players DID answer “no comment” to. So I humbly withdraw that part of my argument. While it is possible that both Cardz and AAM are simply confused, and going the wrong direction, I find it hard to believe that the two really have no leads at all. Post 1504 says PCOP claims to know nothing about the markings. And yet, why would such markings exist at this point in the game if they did absolutely nothing? It’s not like Absol refrains from hiding things in role card reveals. (We still have the “???????” faction, after all, and Cyrus’s role card was mostly blocked out) What proof was there that confirmed AAM was a townie? I apparently missed it when catching myself up to present. If you dislike the idea of voting for either of the two, then what path do you think we ought to pursue? I mean, there’s a bit less than 3 real-world days left in the game-day. If we fail to reach a consensus by then; one vote may really fandangle the whole day. I hardly think, however, that two votes is enough to lynch somebody right now. I’m hardly “eager” to lynch anybody; but one vote tossed at the right place at the right time sometimes reveals more than a bit.
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@Anyone: Feel free to ask questions if you don’t understand any part of my thoughts or arguments.
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(I’ll be at work for the next 8 hours, but my phone has Tapatalk, so I can read and I’ll respond when I get home)
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I apologize for the tone of my earlier post, I was barely awake, and upset at the delay of one of my favorite anime series. (yes, i'm a nerdy one)
Anyways, @whoever, like I said, I was already suspicious, and then the post cardz made kind of convinced me of my own logic, if that makes any sense.
I was already thinking of voting, and then cardz came along and filled in the holes of my argument for me.
What's worse, I ask you:
# Voting after another person votes because they help you flesh out an argument
or
# Withdrawing your vote because you get accused of bandwagon voting.
I'd argue that the second one shows less conviction than the first. If I get a tad bit of heat for it, so be it, but I stand behind my words and decision.
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@The cipher plan: Possibly viable, but I have my worries. First of all, this is 2011, a simple hash such as that could easily be broken by a table of common phrases, especially since if the prior roles are any indication, Absol writes most of them the same style. One could use a dictionary file based upon Star Wars, and add in common WW terms, and probably break your encryption.
I'm a computer engineering major, and such an attack is definitely feasible. Not sure if the wolves would waste THAT much time, but it's certainly a possibility to worry about.
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@Redados (and anyone else confused about the cipher plan)
Basically, they're saying the seer and random people/everyone should post gibberish code. The one person who is, in fact, a seer, knows the identity of at least one remaining townie. They code THEIR gibberish to use a word from the role card that they saw of the townie. That townie now has the information, while everybody else is left in the dark. However, this assumes that the person receiving the message is both brave enough to decrypt it and paint a HUGE target on their back, and that nobody else can brute-force it.
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@Jellyfisher (your post was posted while I was typing the above, sorry if anything is repeated/left out):
My apologies for my convictions, but I stand by them. As for the tat thing, I stand corrected, I was confusing them and the commlink, which players DID answer “no comment” to. So I humbly withdraw that part of my argument. While it is possible that both Cardz and AAM are simply confused, and going the wrong direction, I find it hard to believe that the two really have no leads at all. Post 1504 says PCOP claims to know nothing about the markings. And yet, why would such markings exist at this point in the game if they did absolutely nothing? It’s not like Absol refrains from hiding things in role card reveals. (We still have the “???????” faction, after all, and Cyrus’s role card was mostly blocked out) What proof was there that confirmed AAM was a townie? I apparently missed it when catching myself up to present. If you dislike the idea of voting for either of the two, then what path do you think we ought to pursue? I mean, there’s a bit less than 3 real-world days left in the game-day. If we fail to reach a consensus by then; one vote may really fandangle the whole day. I hardly think, however, that two votes is enough to lynch somebody right now. I’m hardly “eager” to lynch anybody; but one vote tossed at the right place at the right time sometimes reveals more than a bit.
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@Anyone: Feel free to ask questions if you don’t understand any part of my thoughts or arguments.
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(I’ll be at work for the next 8 hours, but my phone has Tapatalk, so I can read and I’ll respond when I get home)
Arcanine/Arbok Master
New Member
@Benzo(1595):
The unaccounted for Garchomp could have been dropped by Diaz on death maybe? Didn't he drop like 6 pokéballs or so? If that is the case, its hard to say where they all went.
Cipher plan: Huh? I mean, it doesn't sound like something workable because everything the townies can figure out, the wolves/siths can too. I'm a little confused as to how we pass information around that they are unable to decipher? How do townies start figuring out the correct "password" and the correct seer who is listing wolves, without the wolves also getting this info and just killing the seer?
Cabd, I don't understand. you practically CITED the proof that I am town. In your post 1590 you quoted yourself. Follow that link and look right below the part you quoted.
"On Leafeon’s body was a note. It read:
“The man I followed always has his Tool Kit. He knows his way around machines and appears to be working for our betterment. He appears to always be tinkering with machines and improving them, or fixing and repairing them” "
That was referring to me. I am the man with the tool kit. this all goes back to day 2 when Redados role revealed and listed everyone in the Control Room. By power of deduction it came out that BabyMario was a detective, e4a was some form of investigator, and I had to be the guy with the toolkit. I role claimed it (not much of a role claim, I just claimed to be the guy with the toolkit). But if you look at this note on BM's body, you realize that it is referring to me and practically confirms my alignment.
You also mentioned my speech impediment. I HATE it. As much as I find impediments interesting and game-progressing, I HATE having one. I will be shocked if I make it out of this without forgetting to say it and getting Mod-killed. Look back in the game (Day 2 I think). I received a public warning for it already.
Most people already figured out my character's name, so that would be even MORE proof if you had. I'm not going to flat out say it.
I took a jab at cabd ("You seem to lack a basic understanding of what is happening.") in response to him saying ("I think that at this point, AAM has some explaining to do, and had better have a pretty good set of explanations, as the points raised both by cardz and piplup are quite valid.") Cabd, I did not mean to be insulting, I meant to be truthful. I'm almost always blunt, just because I like to be clear. King Piplup did not make any accusations against me at all. I STILL don't understand where your statement came from.
Furthermore, you do not suspect me because of the tattoo. If you did, then you would equally suspect PokeChamp. You suspect me because you don't think I am a town aligned player. I think there is enough proof out there to show that I am for the time being. I also believe you found my quip insulting and chose to vote for me mainly on an emotional basis.
So, based on cabd's erratic play, what can we divine about him? Well....I tend to believe he is a townie for right now. He replaced tfp, which doesn't give us much to go off of. I feel that his game play is more indicative of an overzealous townie. A wolf would likely have been more cautious and more actively trying to not draw attention to themselves. So, cabd, despite the fact that you are a dangerous voter for the town, you are probably not a wolf. I encourage everyone to unvote cabd.
There is no way we are going to survive this.
The unaccounted for Garchomp could have been dropped by Diaz on death maybe? Didn't he drop like 6 pokéballs or so? If that is the case, its hard to say where they all went.
Cipher plan: Huh? I mean, it doesn't sound like something workable because everything the townies can figure out, the wolves/siths can too. I'm a little confused as to how we pass information around that they are unable to decipher? How do townies start figuring out the correct "password" and the correct seer who is listing wolves, without the wolves also getting this info and just killing the seer?
Cabd, I don't understand. you practically CITED the proof that I am town. In your post 1590 you quoted yourself. Follow that link and look right below the part you quoted.
"On Leafeon’s body was a note. It read:
“The man I followed always has his Tool Kit. He knows his way around machines and appears to be working for our betterment. He appears to always be tinkering with machines and improving them, or fixing and repairing them” "
That was referring to me. I am the man with the tool kit. this all goes back to day 2 when Redados role revealed and listed everyone in the Control Room. By power of deduction it came out that BabyMario was a detective, e4a was some form of investigator, and I had to be the guy with the toolkit. I role claimed it (not much of a role claim, I just claimed to be the guy with the toolkit). But if you look at this note on BM's body, you realize that it is referring to me and practically confirms my alignment.
You also mentioned my speech impediment. I HATE it. As much as I find impediments interesting and game-progressing, I HATE having one. I will be shocked if I make it out of this without forgetting to say it and getting Mod-killed. Look back in the game (Day 2 I think). I received a public warning for it already.
Most people already figured out my character's name, so that would be even MORE proof if you had. I'm not going to flat out say it.
I took a jab at cabd ("You seem to lack a basic understanding of what is happening.") in response to him saying ("I think that at this point, AAM has some explaining to do, and had better have a pretty good set of explanations, as the points raised both by cardz and piplup are quite valid.") Cabd, I did not mean to be insulting, I meant to be truthful. I'm almost always blunt, just because I like to be clear. King Piplup did not make any accusations against me at all. I STILL don't understand where your statement came from.
Furthermore, you do not suspect me because of the tattoo. If you did, then you would equally suspect PokeChamp. You suspect me because you don't think I am a town aligned player. I think there is enough proof out there to show that I am for the time being. I also believe you found my quip insulting and chose to vote for me mainly on an emotional basis.
So, based on cabd's erratic play, what can we divine about him? Well....I tend to believe he is a townie for right now. He replaced tfp, which doesn't give us much to go off of. I feel that his game play is more indicative of an overzealous townie. A wolf would likely have been more cautious and more actively trying to not draw attention to themselves. So, cabd, despite the fact that you are a dangerous voter for the town, you are probably not a wolf. I encourage everyone to unvote cabd.
There is no way we are going to survive this.
LegendCallerL
Member
@1604
That is why I am going to volunteer. My description has a word that even if you looked at a dictionary of Star Wars phrases, you couldn't guess it. Oh, and I don't mind painting a gigantic
X
on my back.
Look at this example. Let's say Diaz is a wolf and the seer wants to communicate that to the town and posts "ejba". If the wolves or sith crack the code, a seer could die because all they have to do is look at the person who posted "ejba". But what if someone also posted "ekbz", "dhiy" and other four letter strings that, using a likely codeword, could be "diaz" put into cipher? Instead of strings of random letters, false codes would be someone's name placed into a cipher using some random word.
@1606
The correct passcode is to be given to the seers by a townie who is willing to decode. The word would be a word already in their role description, to be pointed out in a way that only one who read the description could tell.
@1607
But if a seer does see allignment, this could be a safe way to get it out. If they don't see the role, they don't give it out this way.
That is why I am going to volunteer. My description has a word that even if you looked at a dictionary of Star Wars phrases, you couldn't guess it. Oh, and I don't mind painting a gigantic
X
on my back.
Look at this example. Let's say Diaz is a wolf and the seer wants to communicate that to the town and posts "ejba". If the wolves or sith crack the code, a seer could die because all they have to do is look at the person who posted "ejba". But what if someone also posted "ekbz", "dhiy" and other four letter strings that, using a likely codeword, could be "diaz" put into cipher? Instead of strings of random letters, false codes would be someone's name placed into a cipher using some random word.
@1606
The correct passcode is to be given to the seers by a townie who is willing to decode. The word would be a word already in their role description, to be pointed out in a way that only one who read the description could tell.
@1607
But if a seer does see allignment, this could be a safe way to get it out. If they don't see the role, they don't give it out this way.
Ikrit
New Member
Well, well. I do believe we have our first posted contradiction. When I first noticed it, I was unsure so I PMed absol to make sure I was understanding his statements correctly. I was.
Cardz has in this game day contradicted the facts of the game twice. He has done this by stating twice, in two seperate posts that he has been silenced(aka prevented from posting) for the past few game days.
In both of these quotes I have cut out the unimportant parts, but have linked the posts for your viewing if you wish to see each of them in their entirety.
Now it is important that he has only been silenced once in this entire game. Even then it was only for part of a day. Here is the list of things dealing with Cardz and posting/voting per day.
Now then, besides this contradiction of the truth to attempt to alleviate suspicion, his posting style has been very wolfy.
Now let us examine this vote. He first of all says that it is very clear that he should be voted for. However, in this game four people have been tatted. They are; Dave 628, Pikamaster, A/AM, and PokeChampOfPokeBeach. Two of them have died. Dave 628 has died. He was town aligned. Pikamaster has died. While he was not town aligned, he was not sith aligned. So not only is he tentatively making connections and then voting for the person and calling it obvious, but he also is totally (and obviously so) faulty in his logic. The other reason why this post is wolfy is that he is hesitant in what he does. He states that it is obivous, but then acts reluctant in his vote in the first two sentences of the last paragraph. This is known as wishy-washy voting. It is talked about on mafiascum here.
For these reasons:
VOTE: Cardzmaster2004
Cardz has in this game day contradicted the facts of the game twice. He has done this by stating twice, in two seperate posts that he has been silenced(aka prevented from posting) for the past few game days.
In both of these quotes I have cut out the unimportant parts, but have linked the posts for your viewing if you wish to see each of them in their entirety.
Now it is important that he has only been silenced once in this entire game. Even then it was only for part of a day. Here is the list of things dealing with Cardz and posting/voting per day.
- Nothing, he was allowed to post and vote (The mod post is here.).
- Not allowed to vote, but he was allowed to post (The mod post is here.). It is clear that he understood this as he posted during that day to say he would post more later (That post is found here.) He then is actually silenced for the remainder of day 2 (That mod post is here.).
- Nothing, he was allowed to post and vote(This mod post is here.).
- Using exactly the same verbage as he did on day 2, Absol prohibits Cardz from voting...but NOT POSTING(This mod post is here.).
- Nothing, he was allowed to post and vote (This mod post is here.).
Now then, besides this contradiction of the truth to attempt to alleviate suspicion, his posting style has been very wolfy.
- I am going to start with day 2 as not much was wolfy to me on day one.
- First it is important to realize that his post on day 2 was posted with Absoltrainer's prohibition on Cardz voting. It is clear that Cardz understood that this meant he could post but not vote, as he did so (This post is here). He was then silenced, but the importance of this post is that it is clear he understood that he could post, but not vote.
- Next is day three. He posts promising an analysis of the night to be posted the next night. This "night analysis" never comes (Here is that post). Later on that same day he posts and says that his lynch targets are; Lil Magma, Napoleon, and E4A, Lucario EX (for lacking activity), and z-man (for not having a town beneficial role). This post is here. Two of these people have died. One was a vigilante, Lil Magma. The other was a townie, z-man. The last important post of this day, cardz bandwagons (and even admits as such) to lynch someone (This post is here). Luckily that person was a vig, keep in mind that this is still a pro-sith kill even though it is pro-town as well. Also, if cardz is a sith, than this is the same as bandwagoning for a townie as he did not know Lil Magma was vig.
- Next is day four. Cardz posts before the day starts to say he will be out of town for the next week, and that he will post when possible but they will not be long posts (This is here). That would be from 9/24 to 9/30. The day starts on 9/24 and ends on 10/3. Cardz does not post at all except to bump for Absol after the game was over. This means that not only does he not post when he says he will (perhaps because he couldn't because he was out of town) but then even when he is supposed to be back for 2 days he does not post either.
- Next is day five. This day starts on 10/9 and is frozen on 10/17 for the game end. Cardz posts on 10/13 saying that he has been busy the last week, but that we should expect a large post from him...that NIGHT (This post is here). It never comes. His next post is day 6. Keep in mind he had 4 days to post something he said would be same day, and it never arrives.
- Next is this day. In his first post, he says he knows what his role does and he will tell us about it later. Then the two posts that I quoted are posted. Since then he has not said anything. In his third post he ends by voting for A/AM;
Now let us examine this vote. He first of all says that it is very clear that he should be voted for. However, in this game four people have been tatted. They are; Dave 628, Pikamaster, A/AM, and PokeChampOfPokeBeach. Two of them have died. Dave 628 has died. He was town aligned. Pikamaster has died. While he was not town aligned, he was not sith aligned. So not only is he tentatively making connections and then voting for the person and calling it obvious, but he also is totally (and obviously so) faulty in his logic. The other reason why this post is wolfy is that he is hesitant in what he does. He states that it is obivous, but then acts reluctant in his vote in the first two sentences of the last paragraph. This is known as wishy-washy voting. It is talked about on mafiascum here.
For these reasons:
VOTE: Cardzmaster2004
jellyfisher
Member
I didn't say that I thought they did nothing. I was just saying that it is possible AAM doesn't know anything about them. And the blocked out part of Cyrus's probably had something to do with the tattoos.
I'm going to wait for Cardz's response to Ikrit before I decide what I'm going to do. But I would like to hear from jpulice.
You make it clear that you think that today will be your last day. You also say that you have information on some of the players. We have three days left in the game day, and you still have not followed up on this. The longer you go without posting, the more suspicious you look. So I suggest that you start posting.
Absoltrainer
Active Member
VOTE TALLEY
Players Remaining: 22
Votes needed to lynch: 12
Napoleon: 1 Redados1
Sandslash7: 1 jpulice
thunderjolt: 1 Benzo
Jellyfisher: 1 Arcanie/Arbok Master
Arcanine/Arbok Master: 2: Cardzmaster2004, Cabd
Cardzmaster2004: 2Scottistru, Ikrit
CabdJellyfisher
Players Remaining: 22
Votes needed to lynch: 12
Napoleon: 1 Redados1
Sandslash7: 1 jpulice
thunderjolt: 1 Benzo
Jellyfisher: 1 Arcanie/Arbok Master
Arcanine/Arbok Master: 2: Cardzmaster2004, Cabd
Cardzmaster2004: 2Scottistru, Ikrit
CabdJellyfisher
Unvote: Sandslash7.
Jellyfisher good timing. I had a big write up ready to go (3 pages in word) but then I saw Ikrit's post.
Might need to tweak my plan since I had something laid out for the town to consider. My post also lines out cardz activities. I gotta run a few errands so it will have to wait for later, give me a few more hours.
Jellyfisher good timing. I had a big write up ready to go (3 pages in word) but then I saw Ikrit's post.
Might need to tweak my plan since I had something laid out for the town to consider. My post also lines out cardz activities. I gotta run a few errands so it will have to wait for later, give me a few more hours.
jellyfisher
Member
Forgot to unvote...
Unvote:cabd
Unvote:cabd
So during the pause I re-read the update and I think I may have found something, which I would like to offer up for discussion.
This will be fairly lengthy, but I believe Giovanni may be known by one of our priests, because I believe he was protected on night 3.
BEFORE I GO ON……
@Priest #2. DO NOT REVEAL WHO YOU ARE. It is still to early but you might be able to use this later to catch a liar.
From the Night 5 update:
It similar to Wayneeg’s encounter with the barrier on night 2:
Here is Dave628 partial role reveal, and there is no reason to not believe this.
Here is a breakdown of the nights so far:
Night 1: Dave628 protects Wayneeg
Night 1: Priest#2 protects Pikamaster
Night 2: Dave628 protects Cardz,
Night 2: Priest#2 is not in the update? (did they both protect Cardz?)
Night 3: Dave628 protects Lex now Spartacus
Night 3: Priest#2 protects either the pokemon or a man
Night 4: Dave628 protects either a pokemon who I believe is DP or Cardz.
Night 4: Priest#2 protects either a pokemon who I believe is DP or Cardz
Night 5: Dave628 tries to protect DP.
Night 5: Piest#2 protects Cardz.
I believe on night 3 Giovanni was protected by a priest.
So we really haven’t discussed this “electric” type pokemon. I’m of the opinion it is a Jolteon. Electricity attacks in Star Wars were associated with the Sith. Is it possible this Eevee, began town and was converted based on its choice to either Sith or Empire? Here is the details from Baby Mario’s role
So we also know based on Dave628’s post he targeted Lex on night 3. So Spartacus is either a man who could be Giovanni or Jolteon. Is it worth it to the town to find out just who this is? This might just be our best lead, and a potential plan.
@Cardz, I will not ask you to change your vote, however, I do believe, A/AM is not Sith or Empire, in the same manor I believe you are not. However, both of you were targeted for tattooing. It just so happened Wayneeg was priested night 1 then you were on night 2. I believe this is why tattoos only began to show up on night 3. So if I were to use the same logic you used for A/AM, am I to believe you are Sith? No.
I know I’m calling your role out however, the Sith have know this since night 1 and Dave628 left the breadcrumbs. I’m sure Wayneeg told them all. I also believe this is why you’ve been manipulated similarly to redados1. I will say it again I believe A/AM is unfortunately marked for death. I will not hurt us to keep him around a night or two.
Why I don’t believe Cardz is empire.
Night 2 he was in the engine room, protected by Dave628. Also per the night 2 update:
On night 4 and 5 again Cardz was under the white barrier of protection each time in the engine room. So why should we suspect Cardz of being Sith? Night 4 and 5 the Jedi/Sith battle were in the control room.
However, I think Cardz does need to comment on the contradiction Ikrit has put out there, because I do believe he was priested night 4 and 5 and yet he should have had no restriction on day 5 (after night 4).
@ the town:
So now we have Ikrit’s vote on Cardz. Just today Ikrit said he had a null read on both Napoleon and Cardz and he was personally waiting for me to respond. Cardz has now posted a contradiction and Ikrit has a full read on him and enough to place a vote. I’m curious to know why he has not voted since day 1 and on day 1 he retracted his vote mid day from Magnaboar? The town’s opportunity to rid empire / sith is to vote for lynch. Why would someone refrain from voting for 5 days unless he had a lot more control of the game than we did?
VOTE: Ikrit
I am happy to hear everyone out on this but I want to specifically here from Ikrit.
Also, I think Spartacus should be looked at very carefully. I would only offer this as a plan for tonight:
@PCoPB beat up or burn Spartacus. If Spartacus is a pokemon, than our priest #2 will know who Giovanni is. If Spartacus is a man than I think we have Giovanni.
@priest #2. Protect whoever you like, except the individual you protected from night #3.
This will be fairly lengthy, but I believe Giovanni may be known by one of our priests, because I believe he was protected on night 3.
BEFORE I GO ON……
@Priest #2. DO NOT REVEAL WHO YOU ARE. It is still to early but you might be able to use this later to catch a liar.
From the Night 5 update:
It similar to Wayneeg’s encounter with the barrier on night 2:
Here is Dave628 partial role reveal, and there is no reason to not believe this.
Here is a breakdown of the nights so far:
Night 1: Dave628 protects Wayneeg
Night 1: Priest#2 protects Pikamaster
Night 2: Dave628 protects Cardz,
Night 2: Priest#2 is not in the update? (did they both protect Cardz?)
Night 3: Dave628 protects Lex now Spartacus
Night 3: Priest#2 protects either the pokemon or a man
Night 4: Dave628 protects either a pokemon who I believe is DP or Cardz.
Night 4: Priest#2 protects either a pokemon who I believe is DP or Cardz
Night 5: Dave628 tries to protect DP.
Night 5: Piest#2 protects Cardz.
I believe on night 3 Giovanni was protected by a priest.
So we really haven’t discussed this “electric” type pokemon. I’m of the opinion it is a Jolteon. Electricity attacks in Star Wars were associated with the Sith. Is it possible this Eevee, began town and was converted based on its choice to either Sith or Empire? Here is the details from Baby Mario’s role
So we also know based on Dave628’s post he targeted Lex on night 3. So Spartacus is either a man who could be Giovanni or Jolteon. Is it worth it to the town to find out just who this is? This might just be our best lead, and a potential plan.
@Cardz, I will not ask you to change your vote, however, I do believe, A/AM is not Sith or Empire, in the same manor I believe you are not. However, both of you were targeted for tattooing. It just so happened Wayneeg was priested night 1 then you were on night 2. I believe this is why tattoos only began to show up on night 3. So if I were to use the same logic you used for A/AM, am I to believe you are Sith? No.
I know I’m calling your role out however, the Sith have know this since night 1 and Dave628 left the breadcrumbs. I’m sure Wayneeg told them all. I also believe this is why you’ve been manipulated similarly to redados1. I will say it again I believe A/AM is unfortunately marked for death. I will not hurt us to keep him around a night or two.
Why I don’t believe Cardz is empire.
Night 2 he was in the engine room, protected by Dave628. Also per the night 2 update:
On night 4 and 5 again Cardz was under the white barrier of protection each time in the engine room. So why should we suspect Cardz of being Sith? Night 4 and 5 the Jedi/Sith battle were in the control room.
However, I think Cardz does need to comment on the contradiction Ikrit has put out there, because I do believe he was priested night 4 and 5 and yet he should have had no restriction on day 5 (after night 4).
@ the town:
So now we have Ikrit’s vote on Cardz. Just today Ikrit said he had a null read on both Napoleon and Cardz and he was personally waiting for me to respond. Cardz has now posted a contradiction and Ikrit has a full read on him and enough to place a vote. I’m curious to know why he has not voted since day 1 and on day 1 he retracted his vote mid day from Magnaboar? The town’s opportunity to rid empire / sith is to vote for lynch. Why would someone refrain from voting for 5 days unless he had a lot more control of the game than we did?
VOTE: Ikrit
I am happy to hear everyone out on this but I want to specifically here from Ikrit.
Also, I think Spartacus should be looked at very carefully. I would only offer this as a plan for tonight:
@PCoPB beat up or burn Spartacus. If Spartacus is a pokemon, than our priest #2 will know who Giovanni is. If Spartacus is a man than I think we have Giovanni.
@priest #2. Protect whoever you like, except the individual you protected from night #3.
Benzo
Front Page News Editor<br>Forum Moderator
The Tattoos could be as simple as this: It could just be a way too "mark" whom the Sith have encountered. Just a way to keep track of what they are up too among themselves. Too avoid a "paper trail" with consistincy or repetativeness, the ttattos are not the same each time. It could also act as a double purpose to set up people as targets by way of incrimination, like A/AM's case. Since no one really knows the "effects" by not having information that is directed too them in that the marked players are not given the knowelage of why they have them placed onto them- they are simply victoms of chance if they die by another means then a lynch.
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For those of you who care to have an explination as to my reference of "GBA or CBA" at Nepoleon- I let my IRL knowlage accidently slip in- I used terminoligy from State Police lingo. This is what they mean: Guilty by Asscociation and Cleared by Asscociation (sorry for the misspell on asscociation)- I will try to keep IRL terminoligy from being abbreviated to avoid or create confusion. It it used in investigation technices to rule out suspects.
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@Ikrit: I also thought Cardz slipped up. I am a person of "word play" or the presentation of how people speak. chkkkkkttt(Thanks too Psycoligy classes) kkkkllllllliiiiccckk Example: Dragonite15-- I did not take what he said as far as "good luck finding the rest of the wolves" as a self admittance to being a wolf. I think he was simply giving up, and could not defend anymore as he saw his demise as a battle that will not reverse. I did not speak up on this, as I chose to see if I could find any better leads to a wolf on how fast others jump on lynching him to see if I could spot a wolf being eager to get the lynch on. I see my actions on that as tactical, since I also did not think that I could reverse the amount of votes against him in a short time frame. As how I see it, being a noob to staying with what I was focused on at the time, like I am with being focused on Thunderjolt right now. Thanks for asking AT about Cardz- I thought maybe I was onto something about Cardz, I did not think to ask AT myself since I am a noob to what is considered "going out of the bounds of the game" or "the spirit of play"-- and you experiance in this game is well more then mine, your eyes see things differently and your reasoning to findings make you a better person to encourage your findings warrentable with better action behind them to finding a wolf (well, Sith included)-- I have learned alot by everyone who has played, I hope to one day be as great a player like you vets.
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With my current vote agianst Thunderjolt- I did say that if a good lead in finding a wolf or Sith:
Unvote: Thunderjolt
ok...... it will not let me bold my unvote for somereason, but it is bolded and I will try to fix the bolding-- it is bolded though.
and this is bolded as well> Vote: Cardz
Reason: I also thought Cardz posting was a bit odd, and this is not a bandwagon vote- I did not know how to find what Cardz posting meant in that it did catch my attention. I just at the time could not put my finger on it as too why it stood out and cought my attention. I have invested a bit of time on his posting, Ikrit was faster at seeing what I only saw "something" worth looking further into is all.
I also had my suspicions of A/AM, you can find my statements about him in my postings. My suspicions were under my own thoughts, and I take time to think through with reason to give valid reasons as too my suspicions. I no longer have those suspicions.
still wont let me bold...... This question is a noob question for AT -- I do not want to duoble post or lose track of my thoughts to finish this posting to edit for the bolding issue. What can be done to fix this bolding matter? Should I just post again later with my voting in just saying that the posting is a "patch" to this posting?
So, trying to keep in thought, sorry all yall-- kk
so think of my vote for Cardz in anyway you all want to take it-- I believe it to be a good lead with enough evidence to off a wolf,( or Sith) and that is more important to me then trying to gather more info on Thunderjolt (who still is under scrutiny by me until I can make a better evaluation on him)- but a lynched wolf or Sith is looking better then trying to pressure for more information with good leads.
@Nepoleon-- Thanks for tolorating my scrutiny on you, better safe then sorry IMO as too tacticle moves in trying to figure out who could be aligned and find two or more of a grouping.
Still alot of things I would like to say, but I will review my own thoughts to see if I can better assist in trying to make connections to make good findings in discovering wolves or Sith
and it still wont let me bold..... I think that I will post a simple post to correct/fix what wont let me fix/correct in this posting
shhhhvvvvvvvvvvvvvblip
For those of you who care to have an explination as to my reference of "GBA or CBA" at Nepoleon- I let my IRL knowlage accidently slip in- I used terminoligy from State Police lingo. This is what they mean: Guilty by Asscociation and Cleared by Asscociation (sorry for the misspell on asscociation)- I will try to keep IRL terminoligy from being abbreviated to avoid or create confusion. It it used in investigation technices to rule out suspects.
hhhhhhhhkkkkkkkkktttttssssssss
@Ikrit: I also thought Cardz slipped up. I am a person of "word play" or the presentation of how people speak. chkkkkkttt(Thanks too Psycoligy classes) kkkkllllllliiiiccckk Example: Dragonite15-- I did not take what he said as far as "good luck finding the rest of the wolves" as a self admittance to being a wolf. I think he was simply giving up, and could not defend anymore as he saw his demise as a battle that will not reverse. I did not speak up on this, as I chose to see if I could find any better leads to a wolf on how fast others jump on lynching him to see if I could spot a wolf being eager to get the lynch on. I see my actions on that as tactical, since I also did not think that I could reverse the amount of votes against him in a short time frame. As how I see it, being a noob to staying with what I was focused on at the time, like I am with being focused on Thunderjolt right now. Thanks for asking AT about Cardz- I thought maybe I was onto something about Cardz, I did not think to ask AT myself since I am a noob to what is considered "going out of the bounds of the game" or "the spirit of play"-- and you experiance in this game is well more then mine, your eyes see things differently and your reasoning to findings make you a better person to encourage your findings warrentable with better action behind them to finding a wolf (well, Sith included)-- I have learned alot by everyone who has played, I hope to one day be as great a player like you vets.
mmmmmmmdddddddddddssssttttttggg
With my current vote agianst Thunderjolt- I did say that if a good lead in finding a wolf or Sith:
Unvote: Thunderjolt
ok...... it will not let me bold my unvote for somereason, but it is bolded and I will try to fix the bolding-- it is bolded though.
and this is bolded as well> Vote: Cardz
Reason: I also thought Cardz posting was a bit odd, and this is not a bandwagon vote- I did not know how to find what Cardz posting meant in that it did catch my attention. I just at the time could not put my finger on it as too why it stood out and cought my attention. I have invested a bit of time on his posting, Ikrit was faster at seeing what I only saw "something" worth looking further into is all.
I also had my suspicions of A/AM, you can find my statements about him in my postings. My suspicions were under my own thoughts, and I take time to think through with reason to give valid reasons as too my suspicions. I no longer have those suspicions.
still wont let me bold...... This question is a noob question for AT -- I do not want to duoble post or lose track of my thoughts to finish this posting to edit for the bolding issue. What can be done to fix this bolding matter? Should I just post again later with my voting in just saying that the posting is a "patch" to this posting?
So, trying to keep in thought, sorry all yall-- kk
so think of my vote for Cardz in anyway you all want to take it-- I believe it to be a good lead with enough evidence to off a wolf,( or Sith) and that is more important to me then trying to gather more info on Thunderjolt (who still is under scrutiny by me until I can make a better evaluation on him)- but a lynched wolf or Sith is looking better then trying to pressure for more information with good leads.
@Nepoleon-- Thanks for tolorating my scrutiny on you, better safe then sorry IMO as too tacticle moves in trying to figure out who could be aligned and find two or more of a grouping.
Still alot of things I would like to say, but I will review my own thoughts to see if I can better assist in trying to make connections to make good findings in discovering wolves or Sith
and it still wont let me bold..... I think that I will post a simple post to correct/fix what wont let me fix/correct in this posting
PokeChampofPokeBeach
New Member
I've been thinking about it and I've come to the conclusion that Cardzmaster's suspicion of AA/M is based mostly off of assumptions. We know nothing of the Sith tattoos as it stands; so far there has been no evidence to suggest that they convert someone's alignment. At least two with tattoos have died already, neither have appeared to have any allegiance to the Sith whatsoever. AA/M is the toolbox guy; this is a fact. The note left by Baby Mario advocates on behalf of the toolbox guy and the role is almost assuredly that of a townsperson's. If anyone disagrees with any of these statements, please weigh in.
On the subject of the tattoos, there are many theories. I am not claiming that they do nothing, all I claim is that their purpose and function is unknown to me and probably all others who have been given these mysterious runes. I think it is obvious that they must have some sort of underlying function, but I think it's a major assumption to say that those who have them, have an allegiance to the Sith.
Where do I stand on Cardz Vs. Ikrit? Cardz' argument is based on an assumption. Ikrit's argument is based on facts. I think the fact that he links every post that he talks about to prove his points shows that he is the one playing more logically here.
Does this make Cardz the bad guy? I am not sure. While Cardz' argument is less rational than Ikrit's, I am not entirely sure that his arguments are based in the interests of the Wolves/Sith. I've got three days to decide and so do you, let's not rush this, we need to think rationally before we lynch someone.
On the subject of the tattoos, there are many theories. I am not claiming that they do nothing, all I claim is that their purpose and function is unknown to me and probably all others who have been given these mysterious runes. I think it is obvious that they must have some sort of underlying function, but I think it's a major assumption to say that those who have them, have an allegiance to the Sith.
Where do I stand on Cardz Vs. Ikrit? Cardz' argument is based on an assumption. Ikrit's argument is based on facts. I think the fact that he links every post that he talks about to prove his points shows that he is the one playing more logically here.
Does this make Cardz the bad guy? I am not sure. While Cardz' argument is less rational than Ikrit's, I am not entirely sure that his arguments are based in the interests of the Wolves/Sith. I've got three days to decide and so do you, let's not rush this, we need to think rationally before we lynch someone.
Scottistru
New Member
Ummm, can you say hypocritical? You vote Ikrit, a previously null read, and your reason is that he voted a previously null read. The contadiction wasn't the full reason for the vote, it was more of a nail in the coffin. (However, I am assuming some of this, so correct me if I'm wrong). I would post more, but I keep having to answer to a bunch of trick-or-treaters, as our Halloween was postponed because of the storm, and this post is taking long enough as it is.
jellyfisher
Member
Jpulice, after reading over your post, I checked each of your statements, and I think that they are all correct. I also think I know what happened on night 4. I think that dave628 protected DP. And then, seeing he was targeted by the wolves assumed him to be town. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but he didn't say who he targeted that night even though he did all of the other nights. And then I'm betting that he protected DP again because he thought the wolves might try to kill him again. And since he knew DP wasn't a wolf, he protected him.
And I think I agree with your plans for Spartacus. Of course, this is assuming no one comes up with something that ruins you theory...
And I think I agree with your plans for Spartacus. Of course, this is assuming no one comes up with something that ruins you theory...
Cardzmaster2004
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Ok, some general, linear responses...
Ikrit: In response to your analysis of my timeline based on mod posts in topic, you are correct.
Although this is pretty weak, I misread the post on day 4 and assumed my psoting would be limited. hence you see me posting fairly timidly on this game day. For Day 5, I have no excuse for my inactivity other than my kids at school were being...overly taxing. We'll go with that verbage for the Gym. ;-) So, those voting for(or considering) Ikrit: really, I understand you're wanting to defend me and shoot down his logic, but its solid and a good analysis of my personal slip-ups. Its accurate (yes, i double-checked a lot of it. Not all, but a lot).
Theking (and to an extent Ikrit's logic): I agree. I've HEAVILY misread the tat thing and will be dropping my vote.
Scottisru: A three sentence post is taking too long? I'd say the LOGIC behind the psot is taking a while to comprise, but the post itself shouldn't take too long.
That said, you're (admittedly) using an assumption to condemn someone making null read vote on someone making a null read post. Sooooo many circles...sooooo many circles...
JPulice: Read this carefully: thank you for your better analysis of the whole Tattoo thing. I only started looking at it when they started showing up in the game. Now that I see that NONE of the people killed had a new alliance on them, it makes me wonder if these tats have ANY meaning of if they're just part of AT's attempts to throw us off the real trail (if so, it worked for me at least...glare...). my vote for A/AT was based only on this.
As for your "CODE" thing, what code would we decide on and look for if we decide to go this route? I'm decent at cyphering and would be fine being a second on reading into this coding thing...kinda...
Which, in conclusion, leads me to drop any other suspicion other than Redados since it appears his role, as described thus far, isn't in the updates. Does anyone see anything in my role list that looks like it could function like Redados has described his role as up to this point? this is honestly where I was hoping discussion from my first topic would go, but c'est la vie...looking forward to more posts, hopefully.
~JP/cardz.
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And, I'll deal with the warning for this double-post to do the right thing:
UNVOTE: Arcanine/Arbok Master.
Ikrit: In response to your analysis of my timeline based on mod posts in topic, you are correct.
Although this is pretty weak, I misread the post on day 4 and assumed my psoting would be limited. hence you see me posting fairly timidly on this game day. For Day 5, I have no excuse for my inactivity other than my kids at school were being...overly taxing. We'll go with that verbage for the Gym. ;-) So, those voting for(or considering) Ikrit: really, I understand you're wanting to defend me and shoot down his logic, but its solid and a good analysis of my personal slip-ups. Its accurate (yes, i double-checked a lot of it. Not all, but a lot).
Theking (and to an extent Ikrit's logic): I agree. I've HEAVILY misread the tat thing and will be dropping my vote.
Scottisru: A three sentence post is taking too long? I'd say the LOGIC behind the psot is taking a while to comprise, but the post itself shouldn't take too long.
That said, you're (admittedly) using an assumption to condemn someone making null read vote on someone making a null read post. Sooooo many circles...sooooo many circles...
JPulice: Read this carefully: thank you for your better analysis of the whole Tattoo thing. I only started looking at it when they started showing up in the game. Now that I see that NONE of the people killed had a new alliance on them, it makes me wonder if these tats have ANY meaning of if they're just part of AT's attempts to throw us off the real trail (if so, it worked for me at least...glare...). my vote for A/AT was based only on this.
As for your "CODE" thing, what code would we decide on and look for if we decide to go this route? I'm decent at cyphering and would be fine being a second on reading into this coding thing...kinda...
Which, in conclusion, leads me to drop any other suspicion other than Redados since it appears his role, as described thus far, isn't in the updates. Does anyone see anything in my role list that looks like it could function like Redados has described his role as up to this point? this is honestly where I was hoping discussion from my first topic would go, but c'est la vie...looking forward to more posts, hopefully.
~JP/cardz.
---------- Post added 11/06/2011 at 08:04 PM ----------
And, I'll deal with the warning for this double-post to do the right thing:
UNVOTE: Arcanine/Arbok Master.