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I am unsure if this has to do with any of this, but it seems Pokemon isn't that popular in Canada. Out of all the stores I have been to, they only sell pokemon cards and host leagues, but not host any tournaments or prereleases.

Either one of two things.

People in Canada don't like Pokemon TCG as much as people in the US, and TPCi just won't bother with a market that doesn't care about their game,

or

TPCi is not supporting Canada, and Canadians are like, "You know what, you don't support us, we won't support you".

What would be awesome is a store locator. I'm in Quebec City for the summer, and I only know of 2 stores that sell pokemon cards, but neither of them host tournaments, or do prereleases. If people are short on time and cash, and the distance to an event is too far, they just don't bother going.

MTG has a store locator that shows every store that sells MTG cards, and if I can find a store that sells Pokemon cards, that would be cool. So far, the only way I can find a store that sells Pokemon cards is through WOTC's store locator, because there are chances that stores that sell MTG will sell Pokemon cards as well, which means I am missing out on stores that sell Pokemon cards, but not MTG.

I hope there won't be a time where TPCi makes this policy where internet retailers can't ship product outside the country, just like how WOTC and Konami does it. I like to be sure that I can buy 5 year old sealed product without scrounging around the country looking for it, when other countries have tons of that product.

The policy can be done only if it affects 2 year old or younger products. Any older, then it is fair game, or it could affect modified legal product only. What I notice is that for Magic, most stores don't sell a lot of non-standard legal products anyway, which baffles me as to why, as a Canadian, I can't buy 8 year old sealed product from the US, when none of the stores in Canada sells them, and I am talking about precon decks.
 
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I am unsure if this has to do with any of this, but it seems Pokemon isn't that popular in Canada. Out of all the stores I have been to, they only sell pokemon cards and host leagues, but not host any tournaments or prereleases.

Either one of two things.

People in Canada don't like Pokemon TCG as much as people in the US, and TPCi just won't bother with a market that doesn't care about their game,

or

TPCi is not supporting Canada, and Canadians are like, "You know what, you don't support us, we won't support you".

What would be awesome is a store locator. I'm in Quebec City for the summer, and I only know of 2 stores that sell pokemon cards, but neither of them host tournaments, or do prereleases. If people are short on time and cash, and the distance to an event is too far, they just don't bother going.

MTG has a store locator that shows every store that sells MTG cards, and if I can find a store that sells Pokemon cards, that would be cool. So far, the only way I can find a store that sells Pokemon cards is through WOTC's store locator, because there are chances that stores that sell MTG will sell Pokemon cards as well, which means I am missing out on stores that sell Pokemon cards, but not MTG.

I hope there won't be a time where TPCi makes this policy where internet retailers can't ship product outside the country, just like how WOTC and Konami does it. I like to be sure that I can buy 5 year old sealed product without scrounging around the country looking for it, when other countries have tons of that product.

The policy can be done only if it affects 2 year old or younger products. Any older, then it is fair game, or it could affect modified legal product only. What I notice is that for Magic, most stores don't sell a lot of non-standard legal products anyway, which baffles me as to why, as a Canadian, I can't buy 8 year old sealed product from the US, when none of the stores in Canada sells them, and I am talking about precon decks.

Just saying ontario has the 2nd largest city marathon and can you name sone of the stires you went to without tournaments?
 
Now after all of that, can I just comment that I really look forward to seeing how things play out at worlds this year. As in any worlds events, I am expecting I will cheer on the players I have grown to know (both here and internationally) and appreciate while playing the game I have come to love.

If Canada is not doing well with sales records, that's most likely due to the fact that most individuals buy it from the US instead. The price differences are just ridiculous. Even buying "at cost" for stores here is more expensive than buying it from the US at retail.

Not enough travel rewards? Simply support your country-mates that have made it. Share a room, share a ride, share some cards, buy some cards from them, etc. As I'm quickly learning, this is a great community of players and supporters that are willing to always help.

Am I disappointed that there's only one travel award in Canada? Absolutely, but extending on NoPoke's quote, "you may think the grass is greener on the other side, but if you take the time to water your own grass, it would be just as green".
In my opinion, this was a very important post - well thought out, timely, appropriate - someone who sees the problem and focuses on a possible solution instead of dwelling on the negative. Good job Ottawa.

Besides the extreme generosity of a particular donor who instituted a tournament called the "Ugly Cup" where someone could win a donated trip to Worlds, there didn't seem much we could do to gain some ground on these perceived prize cuts over the years. However, a few years ago, some friends of mine across the country saw the same problem that we see today in this thread develop when POP (which it was then called) decided to lower the trip allowances down from 4 the previous year. Let me tell you that no one was more sympathetic to the players concerns about that than the PTO's of that time period. In fact I guarantee it played a part in the eventual retiring of at least one and possibly a second PTO during that time period.

I honestly don't remember whose idea it was to come up with it, but among some supporters of the Canadian pokemon community, we decided to fundraise some money to help our champions to afford the trip to worlds. At the time we got support from leagues, and individuals from BC, Alberta, and Ontario. I contributed to it, and volunteered both money and time to oversee the fundraising account in the same bank that I had my business account. Those who contributed saw a monthly report showing how much we accrued and the check was delivered to each of those we supported at Worlds. We started it later on in the year, and even though it wasn't a ton of money we raised per individual, the champions we supported all appreciated the extra support. Since it's so late in the playing year, I doubt such an effort would work for this current year's efforts, but it might help next season's efforts if an upstanding member of the Canadian pokemon scene decided to step up and take it on. (I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to do so personally due to my current responsibilities and also since to be honest, I'm currently retired from the TCG. However I would welcome any effort from any interested parties to take up the torch.) In any case, at both Nats and Worlds, I'll still root for any of the many friends I remember fondly from my time as a PTO. Good luck to you. :thumb:
 
...what I can say is that Brazil has over 500 masters that palyed this year in Premier Events (this is more than any country outside US) and had more than 200 masters at this year National. So according this logic they deserve more than Canada the 2nd trip.

You keep saying that but it's not true at all. According to your own results thread there were 139 Masters at nationals. http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2441141&postcount=20


It is hard to say, but I feel difficult for Canada to be in the top5 unless every canadian children buys Pokémon Cards due to the low demography of your country. It is true that for long years Canada OP was more developed, because the OP started to spread in North America first. In Europe competitive TCG in only starting to become part in our culture (exception for Germany and northern European coutnries)

1. US
2. Probably Germany
3. Maybe France
4. Maybe UK
5. Maybe Italy

I asked if there were any published numbers on this.....it's hard to make a point based on "feel".

It is cheaper for a Hawaiian player to go Vancouver for Worlds than to Indianapolis for US Nationals. So it happens to others too...

All 20 of them? It also happens to players in California when worlds is located there. My point was it'll nearly always be more feasible for Western Canadian players to travel to Worlds than Nationals.

According to your logic you would prefer a 2nd travel award over Worlds being held in Canada ?

Thats a bit of a stretch for an assumption, I'm just tried of relentless cuts.



Also Pablo and Curtis chill out guys no point in arguing which country is harder...obviously its Japan....:thumb:
 
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You keep saying that but it's not true at all. According to your own results thread there were 139 Masters at nationals. http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2441141&postcount=20

Oh my mistake. But they have more than 500 masters players in the ranking much more than Canada ever had. What can we deduce from this number ? The canadian players are complaining that they don't have money to travel from west to east. So what happens with our brazilian friends? Traveling the long distances inside their country does not seem easier.... So what about traveling to the north America ?


I asked if there were any published numbers on this.....it's hard to make a point based on "feel".

All I see is that France, Germany, UK and Italy have more inhabitants and so more business opportunity. France, Germany and Italian customers usually do not buy cards to the Americans as they buy the cards in their own language. So they can do like canadian players.


Thats a bit of a stretch for an assumption, I'm just tried of relentless cuts.

They cut for Canada and gave to other countries. Maybe the reason is that the other countries deserved more than Canada? For years in Europe, only Germany had a 2nd paid trip, and it was Amigo the distributor that paid it. In fact they did not cut the trip, you just lost it. They are giving travel awards more than the last few years, for me it is a good sign.
 
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Neither guesses nor assertions become facts by repetition alone.

But logic is something we expect from a human being.

inhabitants
Canada : 35M
France : 65M
UK : 62M
Italy : 62M
Germany : 82M

gdp per capita
Canada : 40,420$
France : 35,24$
UK : 35,598$
Italy : 32,672$
Germany : 39,456$

Looking at this number we can see that the economic situation of the inhabitants of the population of these countries are very similar. They are "western countries" and have a similar culture and therefore like more or less the same video games and same card games. Unless a Canadian buy twice more cards than a French, a Brittish and an Italian, and three times more than a German I dont see how in the long run Canada fits in the top5 of sales. I don't think that it is realistic to think that Canada can have better sales than the big 4 European Nations.

And I am not even bringing on the table the fact that is it easier to find a store near home in Europe due to higher density population and a more urban population.
 
But logic is something we expect from a human being.

inhabitants
Canada : 35M
France : 65M
UK : 62M
Italy : 62M
Germany : 82M

gdp per capita
Canada : 40,420$
France : 35,24$
UK : 35,598$
Italy : 32,672$
Germany : 39,456$

Looking at this number we can see that the economic situation of the inhabitants of the population of these countries are very similar. They are "western countries" and have a similar culture and therefore like more or less the same video games and same card games. Unless a Canadian buy twice more cards than a French, a Brittish and an Italian, and three times more than a German I dont see how in the long run Canada fits in the top5 of sales. I don't think that it is realistic to think that Canada can have better sales than the big 4 European Nations.

And I am not even bringing on the table the fact that is it easier to find a store near home in Europe due to higher density population and a more urban population.

gdp per capita has very little to do with the economic position of inhabitants. A better number might be disposable income. Even then you have to look to distributions to check that there is not a lot of distortion at the top and bottom that make the populations too different to compare.

A statement that may be locally true cannot be safely extended to be a fact for all.

The last thing I expect from people is logic. Its like common sense, rather hard to find. You continue to make the assertion, and then claim it as a fact, that sales in the UK, France, and Italy are comparable. I don't know the figures but I do know that they indicate that the three countries are not comparable. The premise upon which you make your argument is false, so what should a logical person conclude?
 
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Without numbers it is impossible to give the final proof. I have searched them out, but they are not public.

Anyway Canada lost their 2nd trip to UK, Brazil, France, Italy, Malaysia, etc.. Too bad for them, but there is certainly a reason. Maybe Pokémon thinks that as they have Worlds at home they dont deserve, maybe sales increased in the other countries and left Canada behind, maybe they just dont like Canadians. God knows, but I am sure that they have a good reason, and that decision was not taken lightly.

Canadian distributor probably talked with them about that, as they are supposed to defend the interests in Canada. If Canadians are angry about that, then a good start is to contact the local OP Coordinator and ask for the reason.

My opinion will remain. They have worlds every year in North America, they live in a "rich" country, then they have no right to complain more than most of players in the world about the financial aspect getting to the venue. There are things much more unfair than that even in Pokémon TCG, but they would be off subject here.
 
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Without numbers it is impossible to give the final proof. I have searched them out, but they are not public.

Anyway Canada lost their 2nd trip to UK, Brazil, France, Italy, Malaysia, etc.. Too bad for them, but there is certainly a reason. Maybe Pokémon thinks that as they have Worlds at home they dont deserve, maybe sales increased in the other countries and left Canada behind, maybe they just dont like Canadians. God knows, but I am sure that they have a good reason, and that decision was not taken lightly.

Canadian distributor probably talked with them about that, as they are supposed to defend the interests in Canada. If Canadians are angry about that, then a good start is to contact the local OP Coordinator and ask for the reason.

My opinion will remain. They have worlds every year in North America, they live in a "rich" country, then they have no right to complain more than most of players in the world about the financial aspect getting to the venue. There are things much more unfair than that even in Pokémon TCG, but they would be off subject here.

The points you've made are a bit contentious and provoking argument but you do bring up some interesting aspects. I don't think there's any point in all honesty to argue about number of inhabitants, GDP, etc. In essence, ALL players regardless of where they are from will have struggles whether it's time or monetary constraints. "Older" players will have school, jobs, life expenses, etc. "Younger" players may not have any income, may need ticket for a guardian, etc. Expensive in one person's eyes is completely differ than another person. Living in a "rich" country does not directly reflect the players themselves. It's an assumption of the entire group rather than focusing on the individual.

I am disappointed that the 2nd trip is lost here, but as others have brought up previously, it is a balancing act. If those speak up now (similar to the purpose of this thread), there may be some notice. No matter what, someone will be disappointed. I'd be interested help that at the grass roots level.

Besides the extreme generosity of a particular donor who instituted a tournament called the "Ugly Cup" where someone could win a donated trip to Worlds, there didn't seem much we could do to gain some ground on these perceived prize cuts over the years. However, a few years ago, some friends of mine across the country saw the same problem that we see today in this thread develop when POP (which it was then called) decided to lower the trip allowances down from 4 the previous year. Let me tell you that no one was more sympathetic to the players concerns about that than the PTO's of that time period. In fact I guarantee it played a part in the eventual retiring of at least one and possibly a second PTO during that time period.

I honestly don't remember whose idea it was to come up with it, but among some supporters of the Canadian pokemon community, we decided to fundraise some money to help our champions to afford the trip to worlds. At the time we got support from leagues, and individuals from BC, Alberta, and Ontario. I contributed to it, and volunteered both money and time to oversee the fundraising account in the same bank that I had my business account. Those who contributed saw a monthly report showing how much we accrued and the check was delivered to each of those we supported at Worlds. We started it later on in the year, and even though it wasn't a ton of money we raised per individual, the champions we supported all appreciated the extra support. Since it's so late in the playing year, I doubt such an effort would work for this current year's efforts, but it might help next season's efforts if an upstanding member of the Canadian pokemon scene decided to step up and take it on. (I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to do so personally due to my current responsibilities and also since to be honest, I'm currently retired from the TCG. However I would welcome any effort from any interested parties to take up the torch.) In any case, at both Nats and Worlds, I'll still root for any of the many friends I remember fondly from my time as a PTO. Good luck to you. :thumb:

It's very sad to see that the drop from 4 to 2 was the reason that at least one PTO decided to retire. I'm very curious to know more about how you've set up the fund, how you've chosen how to fund which players (if not all invitees). Was the check simply cut to the players themselves to do what they please with it? Were there any stipulations to it? What stopped this from being able to continue from year to year?
 
No offense meant, but falcom, your post is made on another false assuption. There is no such thing as a distributor for Canadian or Mexican interests .... unless things have changed substantially since I was a PTO. The only ones who could possibly talk to TPCi about this sort of thing and have any chance of having someone listen are the PTO's in those particular countries. However I've found that listening doesn't mean acquiescence by any means. Once TPCi has made a decision, it seems there needs to be an uproar before they change their minds. On average, we Canadians tend to be too sheepish to make that happen.

One last comment - I believe your comment in your last post about living in a rich country was rather ignorant. Just because someone lives in a rich country doesn't make them automatically better off than anyone else in this world. Reality bites no matter where you live. Please keep that in mind for further comments so you can show empathy for others. You'll gain many more friends that way.

Edit: Sorry Ottawa, can't go into any details at this time, but since you asked, I will take the time when I'm home from work to answer your questions as best I can.
 
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What I mean is that in a country like Canada, even you have the crapiest job possible like cleaning toillets, you still will get enougth money to have a minimum of living. You can afford cards and a week end in another city in your country such as Vancouver.

Now if you take an honorable job such as IT Helpesk in Jakarta, the average wadge seems to be 200$/month. Do you really think that this person can afford a round trip to the other side of the globe? I am verry sorry, but this person manages to win nationals in his country I would prefer him to have the travel award that he would never afford even he woud work for 1 year without eating, having somewhere to sleep, etc..

Canada 2nd trip was cut to give a chance to Brazilian and Malaysian to come. I like in a "rich" country and I never missed anything.

Tell me now if you were champion of Canada and there was no travel award, worlds is your deepest dream and you never left North America. What if the worlds were held in North Korea and the air fare would cost you on complete year or Salary, lets say 50000 Canadian Dollars (without hotel and food of course) ? And that you see the South Koreans complaining that the 2nd travel award was cut and that they are very angry to have to spend 500$ for a fligth. How powerless would you feel for gathering a whole year of salary in two months?

We western are really selfish in general. I am vers happy that Brazil and Malaysia have now a trip for their champions and I wouldnt mind to cut the 2nd trips from france, uk, germany and italy to give them to argentina, chile, south africa and philippines for example.
 
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Yeah, perhaps we are spoiled. I won't argue that point. Thank you for your clarification, but let's put this in perspective. Just because we live in Canada doesn't mean that we are all in a position to go for a weekend across the country. I make a decent wage compared to some (though not quite to the average standard mentioned earlier), but I guarantee I couldn't afford even one person in my family to spend a weekend across the country let alone 4 of us. The average toilet cleaner (OOPS, sorry, janitorial worker) making minimum wage is making half of even what I make. And no, that doesn't give you enough to "make a living." That wouldn't be near enough to pay for rent let alone food and amenities. Your assumptions are false in that regard as well.

Do you have kids, falcom? Let's assume you do. As a father I've come to see that we don't always show fairness to each of our kids in the perfect sense of the word. It's pretty obvious that sometimes you give older kids and teenagers gifts that you would never dream of giving to an 8 or 4 year old. However you certainly do give appropriate gifts - age appropriate that is. A few years ago, (big brother) US got some pretty impressive gifts at Nationals - at least top 8 trips (it may even been much more, possibly even top 16 but my memory fails me), either $10000 or $7500 scholarships, and product. As one of the younger siblings, Canada obviously didn't get anywhere near the gifts but they were given top 4 trips, decent scholarships up to $5000, and about half the product that the same placed American champion got. It was age appropriate. Excessive? Ummmm, well, perhaps in the opinion of some, I suppose it's possible, but personally I didn't think so. Of course I know that as time goes on things change. Even prize support at other events have changed over the years, spreading the money out further as more markets emerge. Let's face it, we were told the OP budget stayed static over the years, and not only do things cost more today than they did 5 years ago, but TPCi has had to spread things out for more players to benefit from OP. Yes, I get that. And I'm sure that deep down, anyone who's posted on this thread must have thought about it in some way.

But let's take another tack here. What if you as a father (or mother since there's no way I can determine things from your screen name), you allowed your child to play with a really cool collection of toys, ones that really are fun, and capture the imagination of the child, and have accessories that only add to the fun. They play with those toys constantly, never growing tired of the interactions (of course these can't be real kids since believe me, most kids grow tired of any toys in a matter of minutes.... AM I RIGHT OR AM I RIGHT?) anyways I digress .... You told your child that for special occasions (like birthdays/Christmas) you promised you'd continue to allow them to play with these special toys. Some time passes, and money isn't quite so plentiful, but the collection of toys is still there. How do you think a child would feel if all of a sudden you took away 3/4 of their toys, and ALL of the exciting accessories to share with other children that they don't know? Not only that, but you had to tell them they would never see those toys or accessories ever again. Can you empathize more now with the original poster of this thread? Sure, deep down, it's nice to share. But instead of constantly taking away support, and blaming a budgetary problem, TPCi should be looking at ways to increase the budget, to allow for extra toys and accessories to share with new kids instead of taking away from anyone. Those kids will grow older, so instead of giving the equivalent of a 4 year old's prizes once they become a teenager, they should be looking at ways to increase the gifts as the players age. Taking away prize support should never be an option unless there is absolutely no other choice. Certainly an employer would never consider paying an employee less just because the employer gets more employees to cover a work shift. No, he learns to make wise use of his workforce and only gets more employees when he can safely employ more with appropriate wages. Perhaps that's what we need here - responsible management of materials and resources, instead of cuts to services. In any case, that's my opinion .... such as it is.

Even if I had no possibility to get a trip to the big show, if I loved it enough and valued it enough I would make the supreme effort to go. However with age and maturity, I've learned that life isn't exactly fair. This situation is no different. However that doesn't mean that I don't hold out hope that someday this situation is addressed wisely and properly.

Now, Ottawa, to be honest, what we did was ask some of the league leaders to run some charity events, encourage giving, and contribute to the fund. As people were willing, we pooled the resources into one bank account, where I contributed for the upkeep of the account. TDCanada Trust bank allowed me to open a fundraising account which was free of cost for a period of 3 months, thereafter I had to pay a bank fee to keep it open. During the "free" months I still contributed some, and held many league events on weekends which weren't used for premier events where any unused prize money went to the fund - not to profit my pocketbook. Anyone with the account info all across Canada could wire money into the account, or could deposit from their TDCanada Trust accounts with no transfer fees. Modest cheques from across the country were also deposited in the account. However I was the only one who could take the amount out. From month to month I kept track of anyone who offered to contribute, gave reports on where the money was coming from (without specifics to protect the privacy of individuals) to everyone involved and sent a monthly report on how much we made so far. We advertised here on pokegym that if we got enough support from across the country, we'd divvy the proceeds up evenly between the third and fourth place players from Nationals out of all age groups - but at least to 3rd place to the very least. Without corporate fundraising, all personal fundraising efforts in close to 6 months helped us to gather enough funds to only give out a few hundred dollars to each 3rd place finisher only - not enough to fully cover the cost of their trip. However everyone who benefitted from this was appreciative to receive the little extra help to defray their costs at Worlds. The money was kept until Worlds, the bank account closed a week or so beforehand, and handed out personally to the winners while there, to make sure it would be used by someone who attended - not by someone who said they'd go and didn't show up. I was approached to see if I would be willing to continue the program but due to other responsibilities I just couldn't afford the time, or the resources. To be honest, it's a big responsibility that you have to be willing to stake your reputation on, and advertise at every opportunity to make it work. I'm also sure that if more time was spent on this - like starting the fundraising push much earlier in the year ie. the start of the season would further help to gain even greater results. Coordination with Canadian PTO's is important too since they not only know their players but may be able to suggest even more ways to fundraise. Gathering info on successful events and giving out info when you send reports give some food for thought to aid others in their fundraising efforts. In any case if someone would be able to secure some corporate sponsorship it would make the job even easier. Just knowing the effort was 'for the kids' made quite a few pocketbooks loosen up. Good luck to anyone who takes up the job. It may be an effort, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember: if you or someone else does end up taking up this idea, there is the added possibility that you are absolving TPCi of any responsibility to fairly reward Organized Play prizes. They might feel that since someone is taking care of the Canadian players, they have no need to award things as they should, and you can look to further cuts. There's always that danger. Tread lightly.

As for the PTO retirement, I have to be honest. I didn't say it was the reason that one or two retired, but that it played a part. In my case, it did play a minor part, but in another PTO, I'm told it played a much larger part.

I hope this post is informative.
 
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I am not saying that it is easy for all Canadians to pay their trip. Myself first time I got the invite I just finished my studies and had no work and therefore no money. But after working part-time 2 months at Burger King I was able to gather enough money. You and me know that this is possible only in the "rich" countries where we live. If it was in Indonesia, even with a decent work as full time IT Helpdesk for example this would not be possible even working a whole year.

What I am saying here is that Canadian have higher probability to afford their participation to Worlds due to higher average wage and shorter distance to the venue. That does not mean that all Canadians can afford it.

Would you dare to tell me that a Brazilian children that managed to won his National deserves less the travel award than the 2nd Canadian ?

Talking about the prizes TPCi is making a great effort now outside the North America since 2 years. In the past I finished once 5th at my National and got 2 boosters ! Nowadays they are trying to give the same prizes to every country and it is up to the distributor to add more prizes or not. I don't know their finances, but I am certain that they are making huge efforts for prizes and this time not only for North American.


PS: For the little story I heard that Malaysia had once 4 travel awards for each division in the past. Last year they had 0. This year they have 1 for each division. The situation seems to be worse than what happened to Canada.
 
Oh my mistake. But they have more than 500 masters players in the ranking much more than Canada ever had. What can we deduce from this number ? The canadian players are complaining that they don't have money to travel from west to east. So what happens with our brazilian friends? Traveling the long distances inside their country does not seem easier.... So what about traveling to the north America ?

While I didn't check the numbers you found for Brazil, I did check the numbers for Canada and before our National Championship we have 663 players.
https://www.pokemon.com/us/account/...tate=0&location=31&type=&cycle=10&page_1=27#1

We're also not complaining that we don't have money to travel, we're showing our displeasure with the cuts that happened despite growing attendance.

The whole situation devolves into Chicken and the Egg....tcpi wants higher attendance before awarding more prizes, but you can't attract more players while cutting prize support.

It's seems almost paradoxical that we've been growing in attendance and losing prize support, not just for Canada but as a tcpi as a whole. This is likely a Nintendo executive decision holding back the potential growth or at least sustainment of players. For the game to ever go to that next level, it'll need their support.



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We're also not trying to argue that we deserve this trip more than other countries, we're not trying to take away from anyone else; it's great to see South Africa hosting their first National Championship this year. We're just trying to hold on to what we have left.....
 
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They cuted 1 to Canada. I think that Canada is the only country to have less travel awards this year. Why ? Good question, but only TPCi may give you an answer. If you think that it is unfair, then you are right to fight back.

All I can say is that there are more travel awards given this seasons compared to the last one by TCPi as Brazil, Malaysia, France, Italy, Hong Kong and UK have extra travel awards.

I also can confirm that now the prizes are better than even outside North America. 3 years ago I finished 5th at National and got only two boosters... This year even the last one with 0-6 got at least 2 boosters, a cap or binder and the playmate. Not all prizes come from TCPi, but I guess they helped a lot.

I thank very much TCPi for their efforts to develop the game at an international level and I can't complain in my case even if this year I was unhappy that they cut one invite trough nationals (we have only one) and that Philippines and Indonesia have two. But I can understand now, as it seems that even if they have 5 masters with invite, almost none will be able to make it to Vancouver.


we're not trying to take away from anyone else

That is not what has been said by some of your compatriots on the first posts. Some took as argument that it was too expensive for east canadians to come Worlds compared to other players and so began the discussion of 4 pages. Some also started to say that Canada is the 2nd best Pokémon nation at all levels, which I disagreed with.

I will leave the conversation there as everything has been said from both sides.

My hope is that TCPi give in the future to other nations champions travel awards before any nation starts to have a travel award for the finalist.
 
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But let's take another tack here. What if you as a father (or mother since there's no way I can determine things from your screen name), you allowed your child to play with a really cool collection of toys...

Your analogy falls apart there; try using something that is temporary and fleeting, like "...what if you took your child on vacation once per year, and the first year..." or "what if you gave your child an allowance of [insert amount]..." as we aren't dealing with a possession being removed, but an opportunity no longer being provided to the same degree as in the past.

You're a dad. When it was just you and one kid, you were able to afford a really nice vacation, including a lot of treats for that one kid. Two years later, even though you want to encourage that child... you've got another. If you haven't earned an increase in wages proportional to your increased expenses, this year's vacation will simply have to be less extravagant, and your child will have to accept less "treats" while on vacation... even if your kid has been better behaved and doing better in school this year, hoping to earn additional favor. Two years later when child number three is on the way, even though you've been promoted, all the related expenses - do I need to remind you how expensive children are, and how there are so many expensive "events" in their lives? - maybe you can take a vacation but your eldest, perhaps now old enough for a paper route, is told that he's almost totally on his own for pocket money during the trip.

We are dealing with a business, and seem to forget some of the abundance of earlier years was due to "seed money" (offer extra stuff so people give the game a chance and see it is worthwhile) and the fact that the focus was less spread out. This is a worldwide business built around TCGs, and some TCGs have little or no sponsored Organized Play but still turn a profit. Just holding these events, not worrying about Prize support, not worrying about travel awards, costs a lot of money.

tl;dr: I (and others) understand why players are annoyed at the cuts in Prize support (including travel awards). The entitlement attitude of some (not all) posts gets annoying because honestly, this is a card game, played for fun, not a job for the players. For the company itself, it is a job, and it needs to make enough money to justify its existence to its ownership; otherwise the TCG could be dropped or turned into something less impressive, and those funds channeled into more profitable ventures.
 
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Now, Ottawa, to be honest, what we did was ask some of the league leaders to run some charity events, encourage giving, and contribute to the fund. As people were willing, we pooled the resources into one bank account, where I contributed for the upkeep of the account. TDCanada Trust bank allowed me to open a fundraising account which was free of cost for a period of 3 months, thereafter I had to pay a bank fee to keep it open. During the "free" months I still contributed some, and held many league events on weekends which weren't used for premier events where any unused prize money went to the fund - not to profit my pocketbook. Anyone with the account info all across Canada could wire money into the account, or could deposit from their TDCanada Trust accounts with no transfer fees. Modest cheques from across the country were also deposited in the account. However I was the only one who could take the amount out. From month to month I kept track of anyone who offered to contribute, gave reports on where the money was coming from (without specifics to protect the privacy of individuals) to everyone involved and sent a monthly report on how much we made so far. We advertised here on pokegym that if we got enough support from across the country, we'd divvy the proceeds up evenly between the third and fourth place players from Nationals out of all age groups - but at least to 3rd place to the very least. Without corporate fundraising, all personal fundraising efforts in close to 6 months helped us to gather enough funds to only give out a few hundred dollars to each 3rd place finisher only - not enough to fully cover the cost of their trip. However everyone who benefitted from this was appreciative to receive the little extra help to defray their costs at Worlds. The money was kept until Worlds, the bank account closed a week or so beforehand, and handed out personally to the winners while there, to make sure it would be used by someone who attended - not by someone who said they'd go and didn't show up. I was approached to see if I would be willing to continue the program but due to other responsibilities I just couldn't afford the time, or the resources. To be honest, it's a big responsibility that you have to be willing to stake your reputation on, and advertise at every opportunity to make it work. I'm also sure that if more time was spent on this - like starting the fundraising push much earlier in the year ie. the start of the season would further help to gain even greater results. Coordination with Canadian PTO's is important too since they not only know their players but may be able to suggest even more ways to fundraise. Gathering info on successful events and giving out info when you send reports give some food for thought to aid others in their fundraising efforts. In any case if someone would be able to secure some corporate sponsorship it would make the job even easier. Just knowing the effort was 'for the kids' made quite a few pocketbooks loosen up. Good luck to anyone who takes up the job. It may be an effort, but the rewards are well worth it. Just remember: if you or someone else does end up taking up this idea, there is the added possibility that you are absolving TPCi of any responsibility to fairly reward Organized Play prizes. They might feel that since someone is taking care of the Canadian players, they have no need to award things as they should, and you can look to further cuts. There's always that danger. Tread lightly.

P_A, that was invaluable information that you've provided here. Sadly our current PTO within our region is no longer there. The other PTO in Toronto has expressed great interest to expand into our region and with the help of folks like Gengar16, we'll hopefully have some more premiere events locally and start to work on such a fund again. I appreciate the time and effort you've put into responding as the logistical information you've provided will only make it easier to replicate something similar. I really like the idea of the corporate sponsorships that you've brought up as well and great food for thought. The last few points you've made though would be big concerns.


We are dealing with a business, and seem to forget some of the abundance of earlier years was due to "seed money" (offer extra stuff so people give the game a chance and see it is worthwhile) and the fact that the focus was less spread out. This is a worldwide business built around TCGs, and some TCGs have little or no sponsored Organized Play but still turn a profit. Just holding these events, not worrying about Prize support, not worrying about travel awards, costs a lot of money.

tl;dr: I (and others) understand why players are annoyed at the cuts in Prize support (including travel awards). The entitlement attitude of some (not all) posts gets annoying because honestly, this is a card game, played for fun, not a job for the players. For the company itself, it is a job, and it needs to make enough money to justify its existence to its ownership; otherwise the TCG could be dropped or turned into something less impressive, and those funds channeled into more profitable ventures.

I completely agree with your business analysis about this. I think one of the key points that Professor Dav brought up as well provided some insight of what the issues are: "Canada doesn't seem to have the momentum to sustain any substantial tournament attendance, and cycling through the same 500 or so players isn't what gets or executive team excited to spend more money in a given region."

It's somewhat of a tricky situation as the TOs are in specific areas in the country and mostly hold events in their region. I'm not familiar about how things are run outside of Ontario/Quebec, but most of the events are held in the GTA (Greater Toronto Area) and Montreal. There are pockets of events here and there in Kingston and limited ones in Ottawa. We are able to grow our league attendance but without premiere events locally, it's hard to keep that momentum when events are cut last minute in our area especially for the juniors and seniors in our region. I expect though things should fall into place next season with some great effort of those involved.
 
Yes Otaku, that certainly is the other side of the coin. Don't get me wrong however: I am fully on the side of equality. I fought quite hard through the years to promote it. I can also see how cutting from one program may be necessary over the course of a few years. However the enormity of the cuts have been stagering. That's why I think they should have fought harder to retain at least some of the prize support compared to it's current level. Sure, Mr Schwimmer has a valid reason to not add to Canadian prize support, but that doesn't mean he can use it as as an excuse to cut those prizes. In my opinion, that's poor management as well. Like Mike said above, it just makes it that much harder to show some growth here in Canada - chicken and egg.
 
So... the first time Worlds is held outside of the USA, the host country complains about losing one of two paid trips. Pretty sure the average cost of travel for Canadians to attend Worlds has seen a MASSIVE decrease.

Real classy guys.
 
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