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Whizkiddo
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posted June 10, 2002 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Golduck:
I just got home from my Amsterdam trip. The tournament was a bit chaotic, it started a few hours later than it should for 14-. Then we were told that we Professor had to wait with our tourney until the 14- were finished with their Swiss rounds. The problem was... they were delayed and had 7 Swiss Rounds!
![[Dropjaw]](../tcg/graemlins/dropjaw.gif)
The Prof tournament started about 7.30 PM. We ran 3 Swiss rounds of Modified, with a Top 8. Five TE members made the top 8:
-Me, Norway TE
-Stoney, Holland TE
-SauroN, Sweden TE
-Michael From, Denmark TE
-??? Kim, Germany TE
-Dark Tyranitar player, Holland
-Some dutch girl
-Some guy who drafted very slow
I beat Stoney in the first round (quarterfinals), and SauroN beat Michael From. Then, I beat SauroN in the next (semifinals). ![[Frown]](../tcg/frown.gif) We team members had to beat it eachother all the time. That wasn't very pleasant: taking the trip away from your friends. In the semifinal, our german member lost to the Dark T-Tar guy. Then it was me VS him.
We played best out of 3 for the finals. We were finished around 1 AM. I lost my first match, but won the two next. That means I am the European Professor Champion.
![[Cool]](../tcg/cool.gif)
I'll post more later, and update the website. Watch this space!
Hmm calling me the guy who drafted slow ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif)
well sorry but at first i practiced drafting Gym Heroes+Challenge and not to open 2 boosters at a time ....but instead we drafted Neo 1 (thats ok)
and Neo Destiny (wich really sucks in draft) so i did not really know what to draft except i drafted mantine and stantler wich did good for me in a draft in hannover one time in the hotel wich i won ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif) and i got : the Pika Collection ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
Sorry Eskill for slowing u guys down.
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Freddy K
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posted June 10, 2002 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by Whizkiddo:
Hmm calling me the guy who drafted slow
well sorry but at first i practiced drafting Gym Heroes+Challenge and not to open 2 boosters at a time ....but instead we drafted Neo 1 (thats ok)
and Neo Destiny (wich really sucks in draft) so i did not really know what to draft except i drafted mantine and stantler wich did good for me in a draft in hannover one time in the hotel wich i won and i got : the Pika Collection
Sorry Eskill for slowing u guys down.
'Whizkiddo' - how could you enter the Prof tournament if you were not a Professor? I don't see a tag next to your name, please explain.
As for your general attitude towards Amsterdam and its apparent 'success' ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif) I think you need to think a little bit more about what you say and the implications that some of the decisions that were made on the day had on the people who had prepared long and hard for the only 15+ tournament they could enter in Europe this year.
-fK
[ June 10, 2002, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: Freddy K ]
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Whizkiddo
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posted June 10, 2002 11:45 AM
i am a prof ... i gave my form to the head judge at the tournament ! so why are you complaining towards me ... or is this because you want a flamewarr
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SauroN
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posted June 10, 2002 11:49 AM
Amsterdam totally sucked if you all wanna know...
my thoughts on the event will be posted later...and a list of many broken "promises" form WotC Europe's side...
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Freddy K
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posted June 10, 2002 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by StoneyTE:
Congrats Golduck,
I think u deserved it
When I played u I was like: OMG! how in the world did he draft a deck like that!!!11111
I do wonder what happened if I didnt let u draw against me >=)
Having found out about what happened in the last match and not taking away anything from the fact that you played so well during the 'Modified' section of the Prof Event I cannot agree as much with Stoney, Golduck.
You should have been been subject to a full prize penalty in the last match in the least, and disqualified totally at most, from the final deciding game. Had it not been for an incredibly surprising decision going your way Eskil, you may not have won the tournament at all.
The situation involved you attacking repeatedly without the correct energy cards attached to your active. Having knocked out with Sweep Away at least two Pokémon of your opponent with a Croconaw with Darkness Energy, Grass Energy and Water Energy attached and drawing two prizes, it was pointed out by your opponent that you hadn't had the correct energy attached. Both of you had more than one prize left. That situation is totally irreversible.
The fact that the Head Judge, Peter Coenen, said that he saw you had a water energy in your hand all the time and that it was a mistake you made, and then allowed your opponent to draw a prize without asking you to put one down, is just something else. In a match to decide the winner of a Premier Event such as the SC, that's not expected at all. The fact that he was watching the match throughout and didn't point it out, goes beyond belief altogether.
If you had been the opponent and you faced that situation, how would you have felt losing that way? Bear that in mind, that's all Eskil.
-fK
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MasterMazakala
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posted June 10, 2002 11:51 AM
i am glad i didn't go....
it seems bad, real bad...
i aint gonna sing no song about this one guys...
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Whizkiddo
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posted June 10, 2002 12:11 PM
The 15+ Tournament wasnt that good we didnt even had to make Deck Lists (Freddy also complained about this i thought and telling us if we felt comfortable with no Deck Lists . And the draft wasnt Rochester wich we agreed to do a normal draft (because of lack of time ! ) and instead of Heroes+Challenge we drafted Genesis+Destiny (Destiny sucks in draft in my opinion and the Heroes and Challenge are more stabile , wich i practiced on ,this being all for nothing and i didnt know what to draft in neo 4 ... so that was slow draftin for me wich Eskill mentioned . Because we started late some people had to leave because the last train left at half past 9 -_-' and they had to drop .
Tha Whiz has spoken ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
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Freddy K
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posted June 10, 2002 12:19 PM
Whizz - please be a little more responsible with your comments, considering you are a Professor. Without the people posting on this thread you wouldn't even have a 15+ tournament to enter.
-fK
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SauroN
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posted June 10, 2002 12:26 PM
yea it was bad...very, very bad. sorry WotC Europe but this event just sucked, so unorganized =\
heres the information I got from the site www.playingpokemon.com
Stadium Challenge
What is a Pokemon Stadium Challenge?
The Pokemon Stadium Challenge is a high-level premier tournament that attracts players of all over Europe.
Players compete in two age categories?
- Under 10
- Between 11 and 14
Who can participate?
The Stadium Challenge will be open for all players of 14 years and younger. The Stadium Challenge will feature side events for players of all ages. One of these side events will be the Pokemon Professor Program.
What is the difference between a Gym and a Stadium Challenge?
The Stadium Challenge offers more prizes and invitations to the World Championships.. In the category 10 and under the winner and runner-up will win a trip (flight and hotel) to the World Championships for him/her and a guardian. In the category 11 to 14 the top 4 will win a trip (flight and hotel) to the World Championships for him/her and a guardian.
ATTENTION
The Stadium Challenge is also a DCI sanctioned event that offers a higher rating to really boost your DCI - click here Ranking - check out your rating and ranking.
What does it cost?
There is a 10 Euro entry fee for all participants.
Where and when does the Stadium Challenge take place?
June 9, Amsterdam, Beurs van Berlage
Practical information on how to get there and how to register - click here.
Side events and animation?
Learn to play the Pokemon Trading Card Game
Draw a card
Video corner for the little ones
Food and drinks
Side Tournaments
15 plus tournament
- limited or constructed format
- on site registration
- start 10h00
- nice prizes to win
Pokemon Professor Tournament
For all Pokemon Professors - who already participated and succeeded for the Pokemon Professor Program - a separate tournament will be held.
- 3 rounds in modified
- Top 8 in Rochester Draft
- Tournament starts around 14h00
The Best Professor will win a trip towards the World Championship and participate as a Certified Judge on this event.
New professors are welcome to participate at the Pokemon Professor certification exam from 10:00 until 13:00
What do you need to bring to participate?
Bring 10 Euro entry fee and a 60-card deck that is legal in the Modified Constructed format.
To know more about the legal format click here
check the times...
it says...that the prof tournament was supposed to start at 14.00! it started 5 hours later! and they totally denied that they had given this information...well check the site and look for yourself.
my father booked tickets for our homeflight and the plane was supposed to leave at 19.55 which wouldve been perfect if the event started at 14.00
so the case was that I couldnt play in the tournament that my father and I had payed €400+ to get to. Im very dissapointed at that time and I just cant believe it. I would like to thank all of you who supported me there! well anyway I call my dad in and he is _MAD_. yelling at the Head Judge Peter "Mr. I play Magic and I dont know the rules for Pokemon" Coenen. And his response is like "yea sorry theres nothing we can do"
We all hoped that my dad would punch him, but well, he didnt. =\
my dad went back to the airport and he could rebook my tickets...(thats not possible all the time but I was lucky)
my dad and my sis went home that evening and I had to go on my own to sweden. I've never flew on my own before =\ And my dad had already checked us out from the hotel so I had no where to sleep -_- But luckily I have friends so I could stay over the night in Freddy K's and Sentimental Blastoise's room. (Thank you guys!)
Well...I was lucky that I could stay and play! but basically I came to Amsterdam wait for 9 hours and then I play 3 rounds of modified and one draft =\
Lame...Lame...The Amsterdam SC sucked...
nuff said...
Later folks
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Whizkiddo
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posted June 10, 2002 12:41 PM
Yes,Sauron i really feel dissapoiting for you but i am glad you made it safe back home.I really think you deserved the trip to the USA so ur trip to Amsterdam was worthwile.Some people also dropped in the event because the last train left at 9.30 that also was really disapointing so looking at the facts this wasnt a good day for 15+ (Oh well 11-14 was good but also started out late ! it was supposed to start at 10.00 or so and it started like 1.30 ? Thats just not right !
I really think wizards should do something about the people wich dropped and things like sauron missing his plane and that sorta stuff !
What should we mail to wizards in this occasions ?
or what should we tell the Wizards staff !
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SauroN
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posted June 10, 2002 12:44 PM
Remember that we are talking about Wizards of the Coast Europe here. Just in case people get this the wrong way...
[ June 10, 2002, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: SauroN ]
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Whizkiddo
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posted June 10, 2002 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by SauroN:
Remember that we are talking about Wizards of the Coast Europe here. Just in case people get this the wrong way...
Oh,yeah sorry i didnt mention that,thank you sauron for clearing that up ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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Michel
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posted June 10, 2002 03:19 PM
OK guys ... I was in Amsterdam too and I'd like to say 3 things :
1. Why didn't you mention that I played the Prof event too, won 2 and lost 1 in the Modified ?????
Could you please talk a little bit about the people who are never in the top 8 ? ![[ROFL]](../tcg/graemlins/roflmao.gif)
2. Freddy, I don't know what happened in the final of the top 8. You say Golduck attacked repeatedly with wrong energies and the judge (Peter) didn't see it soon enough ?
OK, but what about Golduck's opponent ? What about the other players (Professors !) who were watching the final ?
Would that mean that a player attacks, kills two Pokemon with wrong energies attached to his own Poke and nobody sees that ?
I'm sure Golduck didn't do it on purpose. But was that a tournament for blind Professors ???
3. I do agree, everything was not perfect in Amsterdam, especially things concerning the most important 15+ event in Europe, the Prof event.
I do really believe that attacking Wizards Europe on the boards once again will not help. Even if things could have been better, all the Wizards staff have done their best during the day and the days before (I've seen them working on Saturday while they were preparing the event, and believe me, I had never thought that it was so much work to prepare a big event !).
Instead of 'killing' people again on the boards, I think it would be a more adult and positive attitude to contact directly, by phone or mail, the responsibles of the event (Ann and Peter) and tell them what you find that went wrong and give them your opinion about how you think it could be better in the future.
We are all Professors, and that 'title' gives us the right and (maybe) the obligation to report to the organizer of an event the good and bad things of that event.
But that 'title' we have gives us another obligation. We have to act like adults and responsible persons.
Many things have already been said in this topic, many critics and complains, but a lot of propositions, ideas and positive things too.
Is burning people on the public place an adult and positive attitude ? I don't think so.
Once again, I do agree with the fact that some things could have been better in Amsterdam. But please, don't let the people think that everything was wrong or that the event just sucked like Sauron says. It is not true !!!
The biggest problems concerned the side events, the Prof event and the fact that the Prof tournament was directly linked to the main tournament.
Freddy asks to Whizz to be a little bit more responsible with his comments. I ask to all of you to be responsible too and think about the position you have as Professor in the community.
Like we have often said, and asked, before, we have to work with the Wizards offices and do things together. We have a great opportunity to do it now. But open attacks is not working with the European office's staff, but against them, it's certainly not trying to built something all together.
Thanks to all of you
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posted June 10, 2002 03:19 PM
Congrats Eskil!
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Originally posted by Golduck:
-??? Kim, Germany TE
I think it's Jun Kim!
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posted June 11, 2002 12:58 AM
I am a Professor too and had too leave because it was verry late and i brought two kids along
It was way past their bed time and we had to make a long Yourney by train back
I ALSO DON´T HAVE A PROFESSOR SIGN nearby my name
I have been all day judging and running after kids and then I think it´s just fair that we may play normally at the time that was on all anouncments
I am verry Mad about this because I had a good change but just gave up because I had to leave
How does wizards make this up to me or us because their where others that had to leave
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posted June 11, 2002 02:10 AM
I didn't go to Amsterdam so can't comment upon what happened there. However. Perhaps the events that occured in Amsterdam should be discussed in a different thread? This one has mostly been used to provide information on things that are going to happen rather than rake over the coals of events that have already transpired.
If it wanders off topic it will get locked, especially if it turns into a rant.
This thread has been very usefull as a point of contact for us Europeans and I don't want to see it Locked.
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Ann
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posted June 11, 2002 02:34 AM
Hi
Let me say first of all I understand all your frustrations ... and I would like to apologise to all of you because yes, I did say that the time for the Professor Event wasnt announced and appearantly it was... The op departement always wanted to start the¨Prof Event the moment top 8 of the main event starts to give as much professors a chance to play as possible. It is our opinion that all professors should get a chance to play in this event, and not be punished for their help in the main tournament. Also this is the recommandation we have in our briefing we got from the US about the Prof Program. This said, it seems that someone posted a time on the website that I (and perhaps also Peter) was unaware of. Personally I would have made another decision if I was certain we had posted a time.
Anyway - what is done is done and again I understand that some of you feel this totally blew... I will bring this topic up at our next meeting on thursday. Allthough I cannot alter the fact it was played we may come up with a compensation. (no strict promise yet). We need all your help to keep Pokémon alive and kicking.
For the record, I can understand the posts here, but lets indeed work together.
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posted June 11, 2002 03:34 AM
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Originally posted by Ann:
... we may come up with a compensation. (no strict promise yet).
Perhaps a new Stadium Challenge (and Professor Event) in Spain? ![[Angel]](../tcg/graemlins/angel.gif) ![[Love]](../tcg/graemlins/love.gif)
Spain is one of the European cheapest countries, it is easy (and cheap) to arrive here and to find hotel rooms, and we had one of the biggest STS last year.
And people from Devir (the Spanish distributors of Pokemon) said me that they were interested on organizing a Stadium Challenge!!!
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Golduck
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posted June 11, 2002 03:37 AM
Many professors passed the test or the test result on the tournament day. Including Super Psyduck, Stoney and Whizkiddo. That's why they don't have a Professor logo. Stop blaming people who have done nothing wrong.
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Originally posted by Freddy K:
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'Whizkiddo' - how could you enter the Prof tournament if you were not a Professor? I don't see a tag next to your name, please explain.
What the...? Are you referring to me? I said the event was "chaotic". I posted a "omg-smiley". I made it clear that the event was not perfect. Where did I write it was a success? Nobody has written that, and especially not me.
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As for your general attitude towards Amsterdam and its apparent 'success' I think you need to think a little bit more about what you say and the implications that some of the decisions that were made on the day had on the people who had prepared long and hard for the only 15+ tournament they could enter in Europe this year.
Faisal, listen here. It was around 1 AM. I had two grass Energy, one Darkness Energy and one water Energy in my hand. I had a Totodile with 1 Water Energy. I evolve to Croc and attach a Grass. Next turn, I still have two Grass and a Water, and attach the Darkness and do Sweep Away. I didn't notice the mistake. My father didn't. SauroN didn't. My opponent didn't. My opponent's girlfriend didn't. Peter Coenen, DCI Manager for Europe and Head Judge, didn't. We were tired! It was 1 AM!
Do you think I did it on purpose? Why should I? What would be the point of that? Do you think I thought like "Hey, let's attach a grass, water and Darkness to my Croc, and cheat a bit to do 60 damage! Nobody will notice it!". Is that me? I hope you know me better than that.
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Having found out about what happened in the last match and not taking away anything from the fact that you played so well during the 'Modified' section of the Prof Event I cannot agree as much with Stoney, Golduck.
You should have been been subject to a full prize penalty in the last match in the least, and disqualified totally at most, from the final deciding game. Had it not been for an incredibly surprising decision going your way Eskil, you may not have won the tournament at all.
The situation involved you attacking repeatedly without the correct energy cards attached to your active. Having knocked out with Sweep Away at least two Pokémon of your opponent with a Croconaw with Darkness Energy, Grass Energy and Water Energy attached and drawing two prizes, it was pointed out by your opponent that you hadn't had the correct energy attached. Both of you had more than one prize left. That situation is totally irreversible.
The fact that the Head Judge, Peter Coenen, said that he saw you had a water energy in your hand all the time and that it was a mistake you made, and then allowed your opponent to draw a prize without asking you to put one down, is just something else. In a match to decide the winner of a Premier Event such as the SC, that's not expected at all. The fact that he was watching the match throughout and didn't point it out, goes beyond belief altogether.
When we noticed that the mistake was done, I felt horrible. The last thing I want to do is to do this kind of mistakes in such an event. I said to my opponent that I was terribly sorry. I said it many times. AND I AM. I said: "he should at least get a prize for that." And Peter agreed. I can't change what I did. All I can do is say sorry.
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If you had been the opponent and you faced that situation, how would you have felt losing that way? Bear that in mind, that's all Eskil.
-fK
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Golduck
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posted June 11, 2002 03:43 AM
It's OK. I didn't know your name, I just remembered that Peter several times had to tell you to take your pick when we others were finished. It doesn't matter, you slowed the tournament down for only a few seconds.
Sorry if it sounded like I was angry, because I wasn't. I'm a slow drafter too.
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Originally posted by Whizkiddo:
Hmm calling me the guy who drafted slow
well sorry but at first i practiced drafting Gym Heroes+Challenge and not to open 2 boosters at a time ....but instead we drafted Neo 1 (thats ok)
and Neo Destiny (wich really sucks in draft) so i did not really know what to draft except i drafted mantine and stantler wich did good for me in a draft in hannover one time in the hotel wich i won and i got : the Pika Collection
Sorry Eskill for slowing u guys down.
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Michel
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posted June 11, 2002 04:14 AM
As you all know, I live really close to Antwerp where Wizards Europe have their office. The risk of beeing killed by them is greater for me than for people living far from here, but I take the risk
We all agree that there were problems concerning the Prof event (started late, people had to go earlier, tired players, more than 3 rounds with 35 players, ...).
We all agree too that the Prof event was the biggest (and only ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif) ) European event for 15+ this year in the countries of Wizards Europe, and the only chance for an European Prof (Wizards Europe and UK) to win the invitation for Seattle.
We all agree (I hope it !) that Golduck is a great player a certainly not a cheater. He deserves his title and there is no reason to put that in question.
I think we'll all agree too that we don't need a big event, nice place, beautiful decoration, ... to play, but a place wher we can play in good conditions.
What I propose is that Wizards organize a new Prof event in Europe, eventually with compensations for people who had to leave earlier, ... (like they did in Hannover last year). This could be run in a really cheaper place and in a cheaper way than the GS and GC, but it has to be a Prof event only, without other categories at the same time.
During that day, we could also have a meeting and share our experiences, wishes, hopes, ... and talk about the program with the Wizards staff.
I don't know if it would be possible for Wizards, if they have the budget for that, if a second professor can be invited in Seattle, ... but it's a proposition that, I think, could give the opportunity to all of us to play in better conditions.
That Prof event in Amsterdam had to be our 'big event', 'our STS', the biggest meeting in Europe, the best tournament of the year. Unfortunately, and for different reasons, it hasn't been like that.
What do you think of the proposition ?
[ June 11, 2002, 04:17 AM: Message edited by: Michel ]
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posted June 11, 2002 04:39 AM
I was there this weekend and from what I've heard the organisation was much better than last year.
Ok, the Prof Event started about 5 hours late, but keep in mind that the Stadium Challenge was supposed to start at 10.30, but started a approximately 13.00.
Many of the Professors who wanted to play in the event were judging at the time, so that is another reason why it was delayed.
I agree with Michel on giving WotC Europe another chance to make a big event like SC Amsterdam, one which has even better schedules, which they will abide to.
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posted June 11, 2002 04:42 AM
The proposition is fine, unfortunately we dont have the budget to do so ... and Im not sure if all participants would like to, or are able to travel again.
Secondly Im not convinced that re-running the event is nescessary. If it werent for the fact that a time was announced, it would have started the moment we cut to top 8 in the main event anyway.
I must say that I do feel that whatever we would have decided, we would always have had a lot of complaints. If we would have run the professor event at 14 hr, none of the complaints would have come from the professors who travelled to join the event, but form all professors who were now working the main tournament... (and are now not complaining since they got a chance to play).
Ill forward the proposition anyway and as I said it will be discussed during our meeting this thursday along with some other alternatives.
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posted June 11, 2002 04:58 AM
hmm...ok....many posts since I last read.
everyone seems to have voiced most of their concerns over the challenge..i'll try summarise my own without ranting or *flaming*
1) Judge to player ratio: about 20 ish judges to 200 players. Considering out of the judges, only 4-5 were registered Professors, this is quite a low ratio for a Stadium level event. Many Professors, myself included, would have happily helped to judge as there were no side events occuring (by the end of the day, 3 modified 8 player knockouts had taken place :-( )
We did offer our help..but were rejected for some reason - either that they believed they had enough staff,possibly that they thought we might want paying...each judge on the day got 1 box and 28 boosters. Many of us wouldn't have minded helping for no fee, as the judges/helpers were overloaded with work and didn't have a lunchbreak in about 7 hours. In future, Professors wishing to help should be welcomed and encouraged to do so...you can never have enough hands at big events i'm sure :-)
2) Time scheduling.
Information posted on playingpokemon.com had specified that the junior
events began at 10am (consisting of 5 swiss rounds followed by top 8), with
the Professor tournament beginning at 2pm.
The junior tournaments started
late at 12 noon, and then a decision was made to increase the number of
rounds from 5 to 7 by the head judge. The professor event had already been
moved forward to a 4pm start, or the end OF round 7 - when all these rounds
were predicted to finish by the organisers. Swift calculations yielded that giving half an
hour for a match, with a 10 minute break between each would make the swiss
end time at about 7pm. As the Professor event was linked to the main event - starting after the swiss had finished, this caused many Professors who had been waiting all day to get frustrated - players who had booked flights out in the evening based on the 2pm start time - eg Sauron.
The event was started after the 10-/11-14 swiss, so Professors judging in
the younger age groups could play. Judges/professors were therefore taken away from the main event when they were most needed.
This was shown in some of the judging decisions/errors that took
place. An example of such an error was seen in the 10-quarter
finals when a girl used entei's howl, then attacked with magcargo's lava
flow. This was pointed out to the 'judges' present, who fetched the T.O for
a ruling. The fact that this error was spotted so late on must have meant
that it had probably gone unnoticed all day...meaning that the girl would have won many games illegaly, and seriously affecting the final standings,
with better players perhaps missing out as a result.
The main problems in summary for this were: the late start of the event (unavoidable i guess); the increased amount of rounds of swiss creating time pressure (causing the lunchbreak to be removed), and the linkage of the Professor event to the main events in timing (causing problems in judge numbers and distribution).
Niggling things also occured in the Professor tournament, such as a lack of deck checks, and changing the top 8 draft format from Rochester gym heroes/challenge to Booster Genesis/Destiny.
My 0.1 euro's worth :-)
Michel: I think that a specific Professor event/meeting with WOTC europe is a great idea...how about having it in Paris (quite a central spot?) Or London would be great
Meeting many people of the boards for the first time was cool, and the playtesting/chats in our hotel and in the arena were great fun. Hope to see you all soon...
Random shout outs.
Sauron : No worries about the hotel thing you random on the floor!
Golduck: Nice one on winning Eskil Hope to see you in Seattle! Everyone must have been very tired...probably why that mistake wasn't picked up. Although I haven't really known you very long, I know you wouldn't have cheated..the fact it wasn't picked up by the judge is indicative of the comedy of errors throughout the day and everyone's fatigue.
best of 3 in top 8 ...Magic style isn't it? ![[Roll Eyes]](../tcg/rolleyes.gif)
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posted June 11, 2002 05:01 AM
Whoops...many more posts have been added since I wrote the above. My apologies to all..i didn't mean to reiterate everything that has been said!
Thankyou very much Anne for your patience, and understanding the player's point of view :-)
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