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Pokidad
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posted May 03, 2002 08:20 AM
LizardOTC: Yeah, that would be fun but hard to pull off - even Two - stage 1 is hard enough. If you have a hard hitter for your Stage 1 (e.g., Magcargo/Entie) with a Stage 2 as support (Typholsion), it works well with the current draw power. However, there are not many of these combos and you need draw power to get them going. With less draw power coming up in the Neo-on Block for Worlds, I think it will be harder for competitive decks to get up and running based on our prior testing. However, we are in a wait and see mode until we have an official listing of LC. It sure will be fun to build and play test all of these ideas, again. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
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posted May 03, 2002 09:17 AM
Waitaminit!
How Do you Know Breeder IS coming out?
i think not! modified was going great without it, and with it the format will become exposed to many broken combos......
I am truly waiting for scoop ups,
especially for entei/chari decks.... ![[Devilish]](../tcg/graemlins/diablo.gif)
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posted May 03, 2002 11:16 AM
Yeah, you're right... I'm jumping the gun, assuming that Breeder is in the set. I'm convinced it will be, but I have no evidence.
Remember that one of the main goals behind the creation of Modified was to favor evolutions. Breeder would obviously do that.
By the way...if Breeder does come out, expect Dark Crobat to be a truly nasty Archetype.
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posted May 03, 2002 11:29 AM
Breeder will not help Dark Crobat much, unless they DONT reprint Dark Golbat, then it makes it playable.
Breeder WILL help decks with pokes like Alakazam, Dark Ampharos, Dark Gengar and the like, adding speed to a deck based on effective use of a stage 2's pokemon power. Part of the effectiveness of Dark Crobat IS Dark Golbat. A major part really (flitter anyone?).
Anyway, I don't see it being reprinted, so its all moot. ![[Dubious]](../tcg/graemlins/dubious.gif)
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posted May 03, 2002 11:44 AM
Big_Pappa_Poke brings up a point: some Stage 2s are enhanced by their Stage 1s: Kadabra/Alakazam, for example.
DMTM: Any chance Gambler (my favorite draw card)will be in the set? It is one of the few large draw cards that won't disproportionately help 'Gatr (note I said "large draw").
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posted May 03, 2002 11:44 AM
I'm pretty pleased from what I know so far about this set. I'm pretty sure from how MTM put it is that we won't be seeing a return of Base Blastoise. but this is a good thing. They realize people will find a certain devastating combo with it in MMF (I won't reveal it myself. figure it out. :P), and it would control MMF.
Venucenter is going to be a devastating deck, but as we all know, Fire will be big in MMF, so it will be able to be handled easily. It all balances itself out.
>, "i;m sure there gonna bring back something that can also kill Blastoise. Electabuzz perhaps?"
Lets also add hitmonchan and scyther to that and make haymaker legal again
Hitmonchan and Scyther didn't make haymaker. Oak, PC Search, etc. made haymaker. and those cards aren't returning.
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posted May 03, 2002 12:06 PM
Pokemon Breeder WOULD be reprinted IMO. As we all know, Base Blastoise won't be reprinted. The reason being? Pokemon Breeder. With Breeder, you can do 60 damage on the 2nd turn. Without Breeder, Base 'Toise is simply another Stage 2 that does 60+ damage on the 3rd turn.
That's the same reason why I think Wiggly would be reprinted. Unless DCE is reprinted, which I highly doubt, Wiggly is not that fast.
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posted May 03, 2002 12:47 PM
Yeah, Sauron, lots of people say the reprint of Wigglytuff would be a terrible thing, but like I just mentioned, without Oak, Computer Search, DCE, Pluspower, etc. ... Wigglytuff is nothing. It's a stage 1, Colorless, that does a 60 damage attack that is based on your bench. If it is to be reprinted, there will be cards that will work with it beautifully, but it won't be very devastating. I think Wiggly would be a great card to reprint. Just to continue to balance everything out with new decks.
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posted May 03, 2002 01:26 PM
You must reprint cards every so often to aid the new players build competitive decks. WoTC is smart. To make money you must sell more product, or sell the product at a higher price. When cards are reprinted, it will help sales by hopefully attracting new players that will now have a chance of competing. I believe that it is great for the game. BTW...MtG is not a bad thing to emulate...it has been around forever.
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posted May 03, 2002 01:45 PM
So Pokemon Becames Just like Magic?
If pokemon was like magic, we wouldnt have any problems! Sure there would be a few, but magic is the most balanced CCG in the world at this moment, IMO! So I HOPE pokemon becomes like magic!
WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE THINK OF MAGIC AS SOMEHTING BAD? maybe because a certain someone told everyone that wotc had an evil plan to make all the poke players into MTG ones? I'm serious dont dis a game until you have either played it or watched other people play it and read all the rules and then read up on the winning decks which there are about 4 of right now in type 2!
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posted May 03, 2002 02:01 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Magby Guru:
So Pokemon Becames Just like Magic?
If pokemon was like magic, we wouldnt have any problems! Sure there would be a few, but magic is the most balanced CCG in the world at this moment, IMO! So I HOPE pokemon becomes like magic!
WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE THINK OF MAGIC AS SOMEHTING BAD? maybe because a certain someone told everyone that wotc had an evil plan to make all the poke players into MTG ones? I'm serious dont dis a game until you have either played it or watched other people play it and read all the rules and then read up on the winning decks which there are about 4 of right now in type 2!
-MG
On a side note,hi guys.I know I'v been out for a while,but I went to Regionals in Magic.I was quite busy.Now i'm back though.
Now to move on.I agree completely with Guru.Magic is a great game.If Pokemon got like Magic,I would'nt complain.Heck,I would be quite happy!and as for decks in t2,yeah,we got a problem with that right now.R/G Beats,and G/U Madness are just too good right now
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LizardOTC
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posted May 03, 2002 02:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Big_Pappa_Poke:
Breeder will not help Dark Crobat much, unless they DONT reprint Dark Golbat, then it makes it playable.
Breeder WILL help decks with pokes like Alakazam, Dark Ampharos, Dark Gengar and the like, adding speed to a deck based on effective use of a stage 2's pokemon power. Part of the effectiveness of Dark Crobat IS Dark Golbat. A major part really (flitter anyone?).
Anyway, I don't see it being reprinted, so its all moot.
Well, I've played Dark Bat some, and there are many times when you have 3 or even 4 Zubats building. You may not be able to FIND all your Dark Golbats when you need them. But, if you are holding a Dark Crobat and a Breeder, that gets you that extra 20 damage you may need. The deck will also need 4 HyperDevo Sprays, of course.
As soon as LC comes out, if Breeder is in it, I'll build a Dk. Bat deck on Apprentice and show you what I mean... if you like.
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posted May 03, 2002 02:42 PM
would this be the only place to hear updates about
the Legendary Collection? could you also tell me whether i would have to glance through these other
pages of replies to find out which cards have been
decided on to this point? thanks.
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posted May 03, 2002 03:00 PM
This will be the only place where I will release information.
While I cannot release a "Card a Day" I can give up one every once in a while.
I can also give you some insight on our choices for some of these cards.
Today I present you with an easy one. One that makes a lot of sense and one of my favorites.
The Boss's Way is back...because it is a good search engine for those Dark Pokémon which I personally like!
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posted May 03, 2002 03:45 PM
Cool... The Boss's Way is great!
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Pikachu89
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posted May 03, 2002 03:52 PM
Now we have EIGHT cards!
1. Base set Charizard
2. Base set Venusaur
3. Rockets Dark Blastoise
4. Base set Alakazam
5. Rockets Dark Vaporeon
6. Base set Zapdos
7. Bill
8. The Boss's Way
I am sad that there will be no energies in the set. I was hoping for the infamous return of Double Colorless Energy. ![[Evil Smirk]](../tcg/graemlins/Up_to.gif)
Now let's see, that leaves 108 cards to be indentified.
Also remember the two theme decks, Magma and Storm. I would venture to say that Magma would be Fire, at least. I don't think Charizard would be in there. How about the return of Fossil Magmar? Storm could be Lightning and/or Water. Wouldn't Zapdos or Dark Blastoise be nice in this deck? But, I wouldn't hold my breath on this one, based on how most theme decks don't have the most sought after cards in them.
Well, I keep checking back to see what other cards DMTM might reveal to us.
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DMTM
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posted May 03, 2002 03:59 PM
Oops! I just realized I made a mistake. When I said there was no Energy in the set.
I should have said that there was no Basic Energy in the set.
DMTM
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posted May 03, 2002 04:05 PM
Well, DCE is broken, Rainbow's extraneous, and that leaves potion and full heal. Season 8 just got a little more interesting.
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posted May 03, 2002 04:06 PM
So let's narrow this down.
It's obviously not DCE, because it's broken. It may be the Darkness and Metals, but maybe not since this is a set featuring Red & Blue. So we may be getting 1 or both of the TR Energies (doubt it'll be Rainbow, it's already a promo)
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posted May 03, 2002 04:54 PM
wait a second here.... why is everyone jumping to conclusuion about DCE? Lets see why you think its broken... honestly it isnt.
why it was broken in standard- cards like chansey, ditto, scyther, wigglytuff...etc. oh wait...none of them are in MMF... my bad =/
now lets look at something...who would DARE run anything colorless in MMF? NO ONE. Alot of colorless attacks were made more costly because they were colorless. They see ZERO play now because DCE isnt allowed, which it was intended to be in unlimited. If anyone ever wishes to use anything colorless again, DCE must be brought back. Its that simple. Give cards like Dark Ursaring, Porygon 2 and stuff like that a fighting chance. I see nothing being broken due to DCE. Yes, it powers steelix more quickly, but steelix wont work in MMF really. Fire is the big type, and no matter what people say about metagaming it, it will be one of the best, if not the best, deck type. Excluding the what i feel fairly unviable Gatr/Sect, its the only deck that can really OHKO anything, using Magcargo. And people are screaming " what about pichu! " well, with FTKing rare, who says they wont already be running a sick amount of gold berry, PLUS pokemon Center just to tecH pichu... and even water is OHKOed, and the deck can power a magcargo much faster than a deck can power the average water evo to fight back. Now, of course SOME people know of anti fire tactics ( u know who you are ) but even with them, Fire will stand a very good chance. So what else can DCE abuse? Neo 3 Kingdra- yep. Theres a good one, but seeing that fire will be strong, it is good to have such a strong water contender to fight it off. Plus, kingdra works great with Recycle Energy and Pokemon center in swarms, so that and going for twister are conflicting strategies, so Kingdra wont be broken by that either, and it will actually help balance out the format.
So BRING BACK DCE!!!!! ( and jungle snorlax ![[Razz]](../tcg/tongue.gif) )
Last thing... I pray that Base Hitmonchan returns. Fighting is in massive pain right now, as it alwyas has been it seems, and hitmonchan is one step closer to making it see at least some play.
Another thing, bring back either Zappy or Buzz. Neither one is close to broken without extreme trainers, and like fighting, electric simply isnt a type who uses evolution for strengths. The two types need the strong basics to make up for its extreme lack of power.
And NO, Haymakers will NOT return. With ER, a haymaker does not work AT ALL. Give it trapping, give it plus powers, give it lass, give it the 4 oak 4 comp 4 finder, pair it against a MF deck it will still LOSE> As long as SER and ER isnt allowed, a hay pokemon is very little threat as a hay. It will be what it is supposed to be, and that is a supporter. These are the cards that must NOT be reprinted
Wigglytuff ( do i need to explain? )
clefable ( ditto )
ditto ( ditto oh the irony )
blastoise ( too fast )
Aerodactyl ( than Hay would rule )
Lass
heres another thing... i do not object to seeing SER allowed, as long as comp oak and finder are not with it. I do not object to seeing Comp oak AND finder as long as SER isnt with it.
interesting note... Muk. Unless i tested the whole freakin format ( i have a small like, not much, but still a life ) and i aint gonna do that, so I think it could either have a very good or very bad affect on MMF.
a few cards id like to see...
Dark Vileplume- less trainers, far from broken. Not to mention a very popular card anyways. With the focus on evos and less trainers than ever, much more balanced out. It itself is far from broken. Standard is what made it broken. Just as aerodactyl will be broken if reprinted.
Hitmonchan and Electabuzz- said above
Trader and Breeder- the way card advatage should be
base Set Poliwrath- never got a chance to see play before. IMO very strong in MMF, and would again help keep Big fire and evos in check, possibly allowing stage ones a better chance. Imagine Base Poliwrath and Neo 2 wrath together...possible archetype due to poliwhirl? would be fun
snorlax- hes cool. do not argue with the fat one himself. he will eat you.
fossil magmar- one of the best cards ever printed, but it would make very little if any splash in MMF. Fire wont need basic support like this and it would be in the binder anyways =/
those are my opinions. Now lets see if DMTM can possibly confirm any of them ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
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posted May 03, 2002 05:16 PM
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i do not object to seeing SER allowed, as long as comp oak and finder are not with it. I do not object to seeing Comp oak AND finder as long as SER isnt with it.
Yeah right
Either way, all of this cards gets abused quickly, if u got oak+finder What do you care about SER???
If you got SER: Zapdos, Chari,entei etc etc
Will Suck... You get like 3 nrgs with entei, lose your turn, and then it gets removed??? ![[NoNoNo]](../tcg/graemlins/nonono.gif)
Oak and Finders will simply turn modified into standard without sneasel....
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posted May 03, 2002 05:24 PM
and BTW
DCE Is not such a Bad Idea
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posted May 03, 2002 06:03 PM
If in fact Wiggly DOES come back, then DCE is a bad idea.
And since we know base zard's coming back, DCE might make it too strong. (Can't believe I just said base zard might be too strong...)
SER should also not come back IMO, it can't help things. Every deck would run 4...just like in unlimited. It is a broken card. It sets the opponent behind 2 turns, while the only loss you suffer, is the returning of the recycle energy off your cleffa to your hand. =/
Not to mention that once NGR cycles out, it'll be even harder to get energy that's been removed back into the deck. (I hate time capsule...)
The energy that's coming back has to be FHE, because DCE is too good, and PE is just not worth it.
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posted May 03, 2002 06:26 PM
No way, SER is bad. It can really save the game once it's drawn, no, TURN the game once it's drawn. Everyone will play multiples of it. SER's a net speed of 1 in terms of Energy drop, that's no good.
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