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Topic: Legendary Collection update.
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Commander Kettch
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posted May 16, 2002 11:46 AM
Okay, I've been reading some of the previous posts. I'm more confused than ever!!
What's with sets being..."rotated out"? You mean Wizards pulled a Magic and bans cards from play by the sets??? Uhg, that's a major reason I NEVEr got into Magic. If you can't test play something well enough to prevent whole sets from being banned, then don't make a game...
what's Modified play? I've NEVER been to a tourny or League play so I don't know anything about this. My brother and I just buy cards, from ALL sets and mix them into a 60 card deck of our liking, obeying the NORMAL rules.
Someone please explain...
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Tyranitar666
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posted May 16, 2002 11:54 AM
humm.... being this set as draftable...we add mysterious fossil and thus we get at least one of the fossil evos....that leaves us with the horribly unplayable kabutops string as well as the decent omastar string. Will we see Aerodactyl...it would be a massive shakeup but iggly single handedly ends it. So my guess is Aerodactyl is in ![[Smile]](../tcg/smile.gif)
so lets look at a recap here....heres what we have a good chance at being in the set.
charmander
charmeleon
charizard
squirtle
dk wartortle
dk blastoise
bulbasaur
ivysaur
venusaur
zapdos
abra
kadabra
alakazam
eevee
flareon
dk vaporeon
Jolteon ( ??? )
Pidgey ( yay=/ )
Pidgeotto
Pidgeot
Machop
Machoke
Machamp
Gastly
Haunter
Gengar
Caterpie
Metapod
Butterfree
Sandshrew
Sandslash
Doduo
Dodrio
Mewtwo ( NP )
Bill
Breeder
Boss's way
Mysterious Fossil
Kabuto
Kabutops
Omanyte
Omastar
Aerodactyl
*all 5 are assumptions*
FHE
ok, i may have forgot a card here and there but there are a good amount of cards we can assume r in... that leaves us with 45 spaces used up. They said 12 trainers and we have 4... and we have 1 non basic energy at least. so assuming thats all the non basic energy we have this to find still...
8 trainers
57 pokemon
THATS ALOT OF POKES! If i messed up somewhere point it out, oh wait, i forgot grimer and muk...add them to the list. sorry. still alot of empty slots
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DMTM
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posted May 16, 2002 12:11 PM
Commander Kettch. Please take your questions and start a new topic. This one is LC specific and is for discussing what is in the set and why.
Thanks.
DMTM
[ May 16, 2002, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: DMTM ]
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Rocket's Sandshrew
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posted May 16, 2002 12:16 PM
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Well...now gengar's very un-draftable, (You either get the choice of an uncommon, playable basic, or the common base gastly, followed by a rare stage 1, followed by another rare...good luck.), but got lots more vicious in constructed play. Fossil Haunter + Focus Band = Maddening...
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Big Daddy Snorlax
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posted May 16, 2002 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by xJaMx:
I have A Question =/..
Once LC Is Released It Will be Legal In Modified DCI Tourneys , So Will Team Rocket,Gym 1 And Gym 2 Be immediately Rotated Out Or Will LC Just Be Added To The Card Pool?
JaM
If we are talking officially sanctioned tournaments, until the DCI Modified Format rules are revised, usually in the fall, the LC cards will just be added to the card pool of Modified.
However, I believe that WotC has already announced that Worlds will use the new format, Neo on. They can do that for Premier Events that they run, such as Worlds, but an event run by another TO would still have to use the rules as written, which allow Rocket on.
BDS
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Big Daddy Snorlax
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posted May 16, 2002 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Rocket's Sandshrew:
... (You either get the choice of an uncommon, playable basic, or the common base gastly, followed by a rare stage 1, followed by another rare...good luck.)
You are making the assumption that the rarity will be the same as it was when the cards were released in their original sets. Has that been confirmed somewhere?
BDS
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posted May 16, 2002 12:30 PM
I have a question BDS....Why would they change the rarity of the cards???
That would be a little crazy don't you think?? Hey DMTM is this going to be the case, or at my current level of security that can not be answered? ![[Bored]](../tcg/graemlins/dozey.gif)
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Strife126
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posted May 16, 2002 12:47 PM
changing the rarity of the Pokemon in LC would just be a big mess-up, in terms of card value and anything else related to it.
however, it just seems that some cards should be made common or uncommon for the sheer playability and draftability of the set (Breeder)
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posted May 16, 2002 12:47 PM
Changing the rarity scheme a little does not hurt as long as you don't go overboard. Specific cards like fosil Haunter is not an issue by going from rare to uncommon. Haunter is an uncommon in this set. ![[Big Grin]](../tcg/biggrin.gif)
Good point Sandshrew. That is why we made him "draft" friendly. BDS you are too smart for me! ![[Wink]](../tcg/wink.gif)
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PojosamaWannabe
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posted May 16, 2002 12:49 PM
Pokemon
1. Alakazam (Base Set)
2. Articuno (Fossil)
3. Charizard (Base Set)
4. Dark Blastoise (Team Rocket)
5. Dark Vaporeon (Team Rocket)
6. Flareon (Jungle)
7. Gengar (Fossil)
8. Moltres (Fossil)
9. Muk (Fossil)
10. Venasaur (Base Set)
11. Zapdos (Base Set)
12. Sandshrew (Base Set)
13. Caterpie (Base Set)
14. Telekinesis Mewtwo (NP Promo)
15. Haunter (Fossil) OMG!!!
Trainers
1. Bill (Base Set)
2. Pokemon Breeder (Base Set)
3. The Boss’s Way (Team Rocket)
4. Mysterious Fossil (Fossil)
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GOROY
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posted May 16, 2002 12:51 PM
All right The fossil is back! What about Nintales? ![[Confused]](../tcg/confused.gif)
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GOROY
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posted May 16, 2002 12:53 PM
YAY! Rarity change Oh yea!
I s Breeder still rare?
Is Charizard still rare?
What about M2?
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DMTM
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posted May 16, 2002 01:01 PM
The rarity scheme for this set is already being played with by the 1/110 chance of getting any single reverse holo card in any one pack.
The difference is not anything to be alarmed about...Now if Charizard was taken from Rare to Common that would be worth screaming about!
DMTM
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PsyGuyGENGAR
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posted May 16, 2002 01:18 PM
well I am going to say this for the first time on this board.......that stinks.
I have 23 holo haunters and 27 non-holo haunters, I guess you can say that I really like the entire Gengar line. Now I am going to have them as UNCOMMONS ![[Mad]](../tcg/mad.gif) Those cards took me, however long Fossil has been out, to collect them all and now they are going to be re-printed and then undercut to an UNCOMMON.
*PsyGuyGENGAR CURSES Gengar*
Oh, well I still have the 1st edition Fossils and several unlimited RARE to gaze at proudly.
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DMTM
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posted May 16, 2002 01:48 PM
They are from a different set. From a different scheme. So I don't see it quite the same way.
They will have different values.
Besides in order to make the set work the way we want it we had to make Haunter Uncommon. It makes no sense to have a Rare stage 1 and a rare stage 2 for sealed/draft play.
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posted May 16, 2002 01:55 PM
For rochester prizes will wizards give out LC packs or desity packs in san diego??
i only ask because the set will be released so close to the WCSC that i wonder if they will be ready to be given out.
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posted May 16, 2002 02:07 PM
That is a good point, and I'm glad it's an uncommon *TRC is one of those players who doesn't care about face value of cards, just playing the game* this way, you can possibly build a nice line of haunters to aggrivate your opponents in a draft instead of say 5-1, you can have 4-3 or something(this is for a regular draft, btw, I doubt your podmates in Rochester would allow you to get a 4-3 haunter line ). I can't wait to find out what other cards will be in the set, and I wonder if they'll be drafting LC at the WCSC in like, a side event or something...that'd be cool.
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posted May 16, 2002 02:37 PM
So basically, you're going to be doing something like Magic and assigning rarities not only based on glamour (i.e. Charizard), but power in Limited.
That kind of concerns me, Haunter's kind of annoying, and to put it at the Uncommon slot seems scary.
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DMTM
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posted May 16, 2002 02:55 PM
No that is not what we are doing...that is what you say we are doing. What we are doing is putting Haunter in the Uncommon slot so it is more draft/sealed friendly.
If it was rare and you needed 3 for your deck you would get them no matter what the rarity. If the deck was that important and that good that is what you would do.
It is not scary at all. There are lots of "annoying" cards that are uncommons.
The perception that this change is a big deal is interesting though. Does anybody else think changing Fossil Haunter from Rare to Uncommon effects the play environment that much?
If you need a card for a good deck do you get it no matter what? Bye or trade for it?
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posted May 16, 2002 02:58 PM
DMTM: I agree. Changing rarities makes no difference for non drafts. I like the idea of the uncommon Haunter, makes drafting it easier. To go with what you said, a player who wants a card will get it, whether its a common or holo.
Making the Haunter or any other old rare a common/uncommon will only affect draft, and in a positive way.
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posted May 16, 2002 04:19 PM
So what your saying is that the packs would be something like this:
1 Rare
3 Uncommons
6 Commons
1 Reverse Holo (could be any rarity)
meaning that its possible to get 2 rares/foils in one pack...
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posted May 16, 2002 04:23 PM
yup, rarities only matter in draft. since getting Pokemon cards is more of money than of luck. players who need cards will do anything (at any price) to get the cards they need.
Fossil Haunter is going to be really annoying in Draft, with the limited choices in cards and all that.
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that was my 2 cents. don't steal it or anything, it's just 2 cents, nothing more...
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posted May 16, 2002 04:46 PM
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DMTM
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posted May 16, 2002 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Soslowpoke:
So what your saying is that the packs would be something like this:
1 Rare
3 Uncommons
6 Commons
1 Reverse Holo (could be any rarity)
meaning that its possible to get 2 rares/foils in one pack...
Something like that...It is possible to get Two Holo "Rares" in one pack. One would be reverse holo of course.
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GOROY
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posted May 16, 2002 04:54 PM
This is great!!!!!!
Pack of LC:
macop
bulbasaur
mFossil
squirtle
bill
charmander
haunter
Dwartortle
sandslash
2XVenasaur!!!
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